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dezfan -> 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/8/2007 5:35:41 PM)

Well I thought I would put a guide together to try and make the tranny options available to crawlers more centralized, organized and informative.

If I have made any obvious mistakes or omissions, please let me know so that I can make this guide as informative, complete, and helpful as possible.

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Up first is the venerable Stampede tranny from Traxxas.

The "Pede" as it is commonly known, is a 3 gear tranny design w/ a planetary diff design and a slipper clutch.

The Pede's internal gear ratio is 2.72 to 1.


Pro: Availability, reliability, ease of drive shaft installation.

Con: Physical size, weight, poor slipper design, plastic motor plate.

Diff can be locked several ways w/ JB weld and by relocating one of the planetary gears between the other two being popular.

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Next up is the Evader tranny from Duratrax.

The Evader is also a 3 gear tranny w/ a ball diff design and slipper clutch.

The Evaders internal gear ratio ranges from 3.52 to 4.88 to 1 depending on whether is comes from a buggy or a truck.

Pro: Size, weight, durability, parts availability.

Con: Not available as a stand alone unit unless purchased from e-bay or other outlet. Drive shaft mounting not a direct bolt up affair.

The Evader diff can be locked by removing the balls from the diff, inserting abrasive paper disks between the diff gear and the diff rings w/ the abrasive side facing toward the gear and then tightening the diff extremely tight. It can also be locked w/ JB Weld or other adhesives.

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The XX tranny from Team Losi is another option not commonly seen in crawling.

It us a 3 gear design w/ a ball diff and slipper clutch.

The XX's internal gear ratio ranges from 2.19 to 1 for the buggy version to 2.61 to 1 for the truck version.

Pro: Size, Weight, Durability

Con: Not available as a stand alone unit unless purchased from e-bay or other outlet. Drive shaft mounting not a direct bolt up affair. Parts availability.

The Losi XX trannies diff can be locked by removing the balls from the diff, inserting abrasive paper disks between the diff gear and the diff rings w/ the abrasive side facing toward the gear and then tightening the diff extremly tight. It can also be locked w/ JB Weld or other types of adhesives.

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Another option is the XXX tranny from Team Losi.

It also is a 3 gear design w/ a ball diff and slipper clutch.

The XXX trannies internal gear ratio ranges from 2.43 for the XXXT version to 2.56 for the Matt Francis version.

Pro: Size, Weight, Durability

Con: Not available as a stand alone unit unless purchased from e-bay or other outlet. Drive shaft mounting not a direct bolt up affair.


The Losi XXX trannies diff can be locked by removing the balls from the diff, inserting abrasive paper disks between the diff gear and the diff rings w/ the abrasive side facing toward the gear and then tightening the diff extremly tight. It can also be locked w/ JB Weld or other types of adhesives.

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Next in line is the Sportwerks Raven tranny.
It is a 3 gear design w/ a spider gear diff and slipper clutch.

The Raven St's internal gear ratio is 2.4 to 1.

Pro: Size, weight, ability to lock diff similarly to Stampede.

Con: Not available as a stand alone unit unless purchased from e-bay or other outlet. Part s availability may be an issue, drive shaft mounting not a direct bolt up affair.

The Raven ST's diff can be locked several ways w/ JB weld and by relocating one of the planetary gears between the other two being popular.

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Another rarely seen tranny is the Ultima ST tranny from Kyosho.

Again it follows the 3 gear design philosophy w/ a ball diff and slipper clutch as standard.

The internal rear ratio of the Ultima St tranny is 2.53 to 1.

Pro: Size, Weight, Durability

Con: Parts availability, Not available as a stand alone unit unless purchased from e-bay or other outlet. Drive shaft mounting not a direct bolt up affair.


The Ultima St's diff can be locked by removing the balls from the diff, inserting abrasive paper disks between the diff gear and the diff rings w/ the abrasive side facing toward the gear and then tightening the diff extremly tight. It can also be locked w/ JB Weld or other types of adhesives.

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Lastly in the 3 gear tranny department is of course the Stealth tranny series from Associated Electronics.
IMO, the best trannies ever make for RC use.

There have been 4 generations of the Stealth tranny.

The Gen 1 Stealth was released in 1991 and is the basis for all modern tranny designs used to this day.

It has a 3 gear design w/ a ball diff and the first true slipper clutch. It's internal gear ratio was 2.25 to 1.

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RPM offers a update kit for the Gen 1 Stealth that includes new cases and the top gear shaft that lowers the internal gear ratio to 2.65 to 1.

This upgrade keeps the Gen 1 Stealth as a viable tranny option to this day!

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The Gen 2 & 3 Stealth B3/T3 tranny were similar in design to the Gen 1 Stealth.

They too were 3 gear designs, ball diffs w/ slipper clutch and a slight case re-design.

The B3/T3 has an internal gear ratio of 2.4 to 1.

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The 4th Generation of the Stealth is the B4/T4. Once again improvements were made to the design. Again it is a 3 gear, ball diff design w/ a new slipper clutch design borrowed from Associated Nitro truck.

The B4/T4's internal gear ratio is 2.6 to 1.

Pro: Size, Weight, Reliability second to NONE, quality, parts availability.

Con: Not available as a stand alone unit unless purchased from e-bay or other outlet. Drive shaft mounting not a direct bolt up affair.

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All 4 Generations of the Stealth tranny diff can be locked by removing the balls from the diff, inserting abrasive paper disks between the diff gear and the diff rings w/ the abrasive side facing toward the gear and then tightening the diff extremly tight. It can also be locked w/ JB Weld or other types of adhesives.

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Now for something different. This tranny was designed specifically for crawling applications.

The R2 Crawler Transmission from RC4WD.

The R2 internal gear ratios of 10:1 to 30:1 is extremly low.

It has a 5mm output shaft, it is designed to work with Tamiya TLT-1 axle. It also offers multiple mounting applications for a variety of different chassis and platforms.

Pro: Compact size, low center of gravity, ease of drive shaft installation, no diff to lock

Con: Noise (32 pitch gears), cost, availability.

There is no diff to be locked on the R2!

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Reiko -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/8/2007 7:25:38 PM)

Great job, Dez. That is very complete and well thought-out. I know it answers some questions I had, and I'm sure it will help many others to come.

Did someone say 'sticky'? [:D]




xtremraptor -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/8/2007 10:23:54 PM)

very nice job![8D]

STICKY IT!!




dezfan -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/8/2007 10:49:39 PM)

Thanks.




Acs_guitars -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/8/2007 11:00:47 PM)

AWESOME.... I saw your post on RCC and was hoping you would show some love to the RCU community as well. [:D] Thanks for posting this!




Rc EnthuSiasTs -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/10/2007 1:51:34 AM)

sweet, now i know what all the transmissions pros and cons are, and now i know what most of the common transmissions for crawling are. Thanks dez.




dezfan -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/11/2007 9:06:58 PM)

Good to see the RCU mods giving attention to these write ups!

Really shows their true dedication to crawling![8|]




Acs_guitars -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/11/2007 9:34:03 PM)

I know... I haven't seen a mod in here in quite a while. I'll pm a few of them and see about getting some stickies




dezfan -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/12/2007 12:18:48 AM)

Thanks for the effort Ace.

It IS appreciated!

This place just irks me to no end!

From the unreasonable deletion of post, to the total lack of attention this forum deserves.

Just another reason I prefer the more specific forums like RCC.

RCU has to many irons in the fire, it's obvious this one isn't one of the more important forums.




Acs_guitars -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/12/2007 2:31:11 AM)

Yeah... like I have said before, I am working on getting a few things done to improve the situation in this sub-forum. Things are progressing [;)]




CustomTamiyas4Life -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (3/4/2007 9:25:28 PM)

Nice writeup! I believe the evader tranny is 2.66:1, no?




msmeek -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (3/7/2007 1:59:44 AM)

I am new to crawling. How limited is the TLT tranny? Is there a tranny out there that can be mod. into a junfac tracer without a lot of stress? I liked the Junfac since I am new to crawling it is a fairly cheap kit so i will be able to learn a lot better since i would not have to be piecing everything form different sellers. I just need help alround. Anything would be appreicated




dezfan -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (3/10/2007 12:08:25 AM)

The stock TLT leaves a lot to be desired, but if you replaces the diff balls w/ slipper pegs from Traxxas and can rig up some form of belt tensioner, it will be an acceptable tranny for a beginning crawler.




coy5840 -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (3/15/2007 4:57:01 AM)

So who made Dez such an expert?

Let's see your creditials.


























Just messin with ya.

Double J




RC Reaper -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (10/11/2007 12:13:22 AM)

what about the wheely king tranny




The Real Dogman -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (10/26/2007 5:43:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RC Reaper

what about the wheely king tranny


Dez, hope you dont mind!

Funny you should say that reaper,,, I'm working on a clocked tranny case for Wheely King. Just got the case machined this week and now working on the motor plate, uses all OEM parts from the original tranny except one of the idler gears which functions the "clicker" clutch(i'm eliminating that), now its a true 3 gear tranny!! I even made some clearance for better pinion to spur mesh (See Red Arrow)here are some pics:




dezfan -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (10/26/2007 7:45:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: The Real Dogman

quote:

ORIGINAL: RC Reaper

what about the wheely king tranny


Dez, hope you dont mind!

Funny you should say that reaper,,, I'm working on a clocked tranny case for Wheely King. Just got the case machined this week and now working on the motor plate, uses all OEM parts from the original tranny except one of the idler gears which functions the "clicker" clutch(i'm eliminating that), now its a true 3 gear tranny!! I even made some clearance for better pinion to spur mesh (See Red Arrow)here are some pics:


Fantastic! If you can get those cases mass produced, you would have a great seller on your hands!

Love it and glad to see it added to the tranny guide.

I plan on adding the Axial tranny to the list soon!




The Real Dogman -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (10/26/2007 8:30:00 PM)

Thanx Dez, I am leaning towards offering these as a full conversion kit(case and plate w/ full instructions).

How is the fatdog doing for ya??




BCKoots -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (10/28/2007 7:34:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: dezfan


quote:

ORIGINAL: The Real Dogman

quote:

ORIGINAL: RC Reaper

what about the wheely king tranny


Dez, hope you dont mind!

Funny you should say that reaper,,, I'm working on a clocked tranny case for Wheely King. Just got the case machined this week and now working on the motor plate, uses all OEM parts from the original tranny except one of the idler gears which functions the "clicker" clutch(i'm eliminating that), now its a true 3 gear tranny!! I even made some clearance for better pinion to spur mesh (See Red Arrow)here are some pics:


Fantastic! If you can get those cases mass produced, you would have a great seller on your hands!

Love it and glad to see it added to the tranny guide.

I plan on adding the Axial tranny to the list soon!



I think the axial ax10 tranny should be up there, great post!




dezfan -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (10/29/2007 6:31:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BCKoots


quote:

ORIGINAL: dezfan


quote:

ORIGINAL: The Real Dogman

quote:

ORIGINAL: RC Reaper

what about the wheely king tranny


Dez, hope you dont mind!

Funny you should say that reaper,,, I'm working on a clocked tranny case for Wheely King. Just got the case machined this week and now working on the motor plate, uses all OEM parts from the original tranny except one of the idler gears which functions the "clicker" clutch(i'm eliminating that), now its a true 3 gear tranny!! I even made some clearance for better pinion to spur mesh (See Red Arrow)here are some pics:


Fantastic! If you can get those cases mass produced, you would have a great seller on your hands!

Love it and glad to see it added to the tranny guide.

I plan on adding the Axial tranny to the list soon!



I think the axial ax10 tranny should be up there, great post!


Working on it.




Stampede Killer -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/26/2008 3:11:27 PM)

may i ask if the new VXL tranny has a better slipper design? what was wrong with the old slipper design?




dezfan -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (2/26/2008 8:05:47 PM)

I haven't seen the VXl slipper in person yet, IMO the stock slipper is just fine.




The Mad Modder -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (4/9/2008 5:20:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Stampede Killer

may i ask if the new VXL tranny has a better slipper design? what was wrong with the old slipper design?

Kinda funny you should say that.[:D]
The vxl one has more rotating mass on the slipper than the original.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKMG7&P=Z
Tower describes the pressure plates as being made of pot metal(doesn't sound too flattering).




razzor -> RE: 2.2 Transmission Guide (7/2/2008 2:50:53 PM)

looking at all this trannhies above made me think.
I have lots of spares for the old Tamiya FF01 FWD touringcar chassis and im sure it would work rather well seeing it is also a 3 gear transmission.
Not sure what teh ratio would be though.
Ill have to do some homework on it.




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