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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/15/2007 6:55:50 PM   
Kmot



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Status: offline 		Did Bill have homeowners fire insurance? I sure hope so.

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/15/2007 7:09:18 PM   
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They ought to outlaw that practice.


It is against the code. The contractor should be sued for all he is worth.

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/15/2007 7:32:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kmot

Did Bill have homeowners fire insurance? I sure hope so.



Kmot,


Home insurance, Yes. But the engines and R/C stuff? No.



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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/15/2007 7:55:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sport_Pilot

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They ought to outlaw that practice.


It is against the code. The contractor should be sued for all he is worth.


What I found - Effective January 1, 1995, UL Standard 498 requires that push-wire receptacles accept only 14 AWG solid copper conductors in their push-wire terminations.

I believe these outlets are legal according to the NEC electrical code as they are still being advertised.
http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/14-53-double-outlets.aspx

I guess my point is that the contractors were probably legal when Bill's house was wired. NEC changes their code every 3 years. I find it appalling that you can be crucified today for what in the past was legal.
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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/15/2007 8:21:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am happy Bill are in life, sad to see home burned down with all thing and memories in house.

Hope all will be better in future for Bill and his health.

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/15/2007 8:56:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought they knocked out the holes meant for conduit and simply stick the wire through with nothing to prevent sparks from getting out of the box. I some how thought of this when reading and thought he may be talking about the box. The fact that they limited those rated for homes to 14 gauge doesn't seem germaine to the discussion, unless the hole in the back is for larger wire.

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/15/2007 10:21:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		My prayers are with Bill, if anyone starts up a fund to help him out (and I sure hope someone will) please post it here so I will be notified by email. I want to help Bill anyway I can since he has helped me time and time again here on RCU with his knowledge. Thank you Bill!!!
Come on guys, what do ya say? Lets do this!!
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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/15/2007 11:57:56 PM   
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Status: online 		I think there are over 300 thousand airplane members alone on RCU. Someone who is close to Bill needs to establish some sort of fund. If only 10 percent of the membership helps it will make a huge difference. As you are all probably aware, insurance doesn't begin to cover one's losses.

We are a brotherhood and one of our brothers could use some help. Someone set up the fund and the rest of us pitch in and help.

I know it will not replace a lifetime of memories and keepsakes, but it will help him overcome the financial hardship imposed by this catastrophe.

WE CAN DO THIS!!!!!

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/16/2007 12:22:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hugh, we are talking about installing the wires in the holes at the upper and lower left of this switch or a recepticle for example. I do quite a bit of wiring and re-wiring and never use anything but the screws. In 1974 my son woke me up at 3:00 am because smoke was coming out the wall near his pillow, he had turned on a 60 watt lamp to go to the bathroom when fire and sparks flew out of the recepticle. We lived in a one year old Mobil Home, the wire was copper but all wires were in the little holes.

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/16/2007 1:24:16 AM   
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Probably too much information but -
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The fact that they limited those rated for homes to 14 gauge doesn't seem germane to the discussion, unless the hole in the back is for larger wire.
14 gage solid copper wire is used on 15 amp duplex outlet circuits. If stranded or a smaller gage wire is used the outlet can fail. It is also important after using the back hole to pull on the wire to insure it is seated. All that being said if the box isn't big enough and you put a strain on the wire while installing the outlet it can also fail. I do exactly what Hobbsy does and that is to use the screws.

If we do get a fund started for Bill count me in.
John

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/16/2007 1:38:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Please count me in for wishing to help Bill get 'back to normalcy' as soon as possible

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/16/2007 4:09:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is really bad news about the fire at Bill's place, but I know one thing for sure,
Bill will miss his beloved cat friend much more that those chunks of machined aluminum.

That cat was Bills best friend for many, many years and Bill loved it dearly.

Well, someone has to do it....I have a Pay-Pal account, and can start collecting monies
for Bill right away.

PM me for my e-mail address. Money sent to a persons Pay-Pal account goes in through the
e-mail address. I will give information where checks or money orders can be sent as well, at
least for now....until maybe something better comes along later....let's get going right away.

Let's not let this thing fall through the cracks.

Flyboy Dave.

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/16/2007 5:18:52 AM   
Kmot



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Bill will miss his beloved cat friend much more that those chunks of machined aluminum.


Boy, how I can relate to that. I have a little cat buddy too, who has been hanging around for 15 years now. I can imagine how heart broken he is.

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/16/2007 5:25:34 AM   
Kmot



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Let's not let this thing fall through the cracks.


$50 bucks just sent to your Paypal account for the Bill Robison Fire Fund.

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/16/2007 5:37:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nice gesture Flyboy Dave and others!

Count me in.

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RE: Our Friend Bill Robison is OK - 2/16/2007 5:38:06 AM   
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