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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 4/4/2007 1:57:41 AM   
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I just tested this mod out and i gotta say i dont like it. I think the seperate ESC is a must. I turned gryo gain down, tr gain down and even tried turning the gy240 gain down and it still spins in a circle like a crazy man. The tail rotor is either spinning at full tilt or not at all. Any one who has good luck with this care to share any tips

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 4/4/2007 2:43:57 AM   
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Hey Dume I guess you have the same luck as me.

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 4/4/2007 4:23:56 AM   
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yeah i guess so

I think this mod is nice if you dont want to cut and solder on a new heli, but i dont think it delivers nearly the full performance of the gyro

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 4/4/2007 4:34:03 AM   
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You should post a pic of how you have it setup. I don't understand how it can work for some and not for others.

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 4/4/2007 4:43:24 AM   
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If I had to guess I think it has to do with the 3-in-1. Some work better than others. I can't tune mine to work with the gyro without it throwing a fit and making the tail motor pulse and spazz out.

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 4/6/2007 7:57:51 PM   
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i did this mod and it came out great it fly 10 times better ill post pic later

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 4/7/2007 12:04:02 AM   
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I too had good luck useing the stock 3in1 with a gy240.Tried the helimax method and couldn't get the wag out of the tail,either had wag or gyro wouldn't hold.Hooked up the gyro to the 3in1 turned the gain all the way down on stock and ended up a little less than 25% on the 240.Seems to work good that way with very little wag on takeoff and none during flight.

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 4/11/2007 2:14:51 AM   
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I rec'd my new GY240 yesterday in the mail. Yay.
I installed the gyro with the GP C-12 Mini ESC per Heli-Max instructions.
Put Ultra Deans connectors between the new ESC and the battery feed. Instructions just say soldier in.
Followed spec and put an U.Deans on for the Rear Rotor connector.

I mounted the Gyro to the foam tape, but used 3M UltraLoc velcro-like strip to secure to inside rear lower chassis. This has proved very secure, and yet removable for adjustment, just use a small screwdriver to seperate. Set Gyro for about 60% Gain.

Once you plug in the battery, a few seconds later you'll hear the Gyro chirps. Arm the tail rotor just like it says to in the PDF and it'll do a four chirp, then a funky long beep pattern to confirm ready.

Tested, stable. Flies pretty good. Tail's pretty stable, but it sure takes some getting used to flying with a HH gyro.

WARNING!!: They're not kidding when they say the tail will start up the second this Gyro detects about a 10 degree change in heading. Surprised the crap out of me for the first 5 times or so that I moved it myself with the main rotor parked. When you're learning to hover from scratch, this can be a problem, because every time you orient the heli on the ground for initial takeoff, if the Gyro's already locked on, it'll forever attempt to compensate to return to it's ZERO heading.

So....

After I flew it for about 15 minutes, I benched it and installed a SPST microtoggle in the negative(-) battery path to the main ESC/3in1. I ziptied it to the top of the tailboom mount, facing back, up on, down off. While the toggle doesn't have a very high amperage rating, it will suffice for my needs while I am learning. I'll upgrade to a higher capacity toggle when this little bugger starts to show signs of stress.

Now if I need to pick up the Axe and move it ANYWHERE i can just toggle down as I'm gripping the rear of the chassis and move it safely.

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Word of caution. If you use Ultra Deans connectors for all your component connections (those tiny, combined male/female connectors), either MARK them, color them, buy the red and black ones, ANYTHING you can so that you don't accidentially cross connections anywhere. While I working on my heli, I didn't pay attention, and was distracted by my son (9yrs) and WHOOPS! plugged the LiPo into the wrong U.Deans connector. Remember folks, when the magic smoke escapes, it won't work anymore. One Rx board IC well done. MMMmmm.. Tasty. (reversed polarity cookage)

One Axe CP Rx Board, 23$. One Sanford Indutrial Black Sharpie, 2.50$,
Telling your son to always pay attention, and then cooking your own toys, Priceless.

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 7/20/2007 8:20:32 PM   
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I just installed the gy240 and c-12 ESC as described in the heli-max instructions. I flew 3 batteries (2 910ma LiPo and 1 1250ma LiPo). It was a bit windy. I am getting a bunch of tail wag. I tried 60%, 50%, 40%, and 35% gain.

at the 35% gain, the tail drifts, but I still get wag when I correct. It seems as though it is over correcting or that there is a delay.

Before I installed the gy240, the trim for my tail roter needed to be set a bit to the right to keep the tail from moving.

My flight times are fine. I am flying with GreatPlanes LiPo's (910 and 1250).

I am a bit confused with the 3 in 1 pot settings. There was no mention of them in the heli-max instructions. I suspect that if I mess with the left/right bias and/or tail rotor trim I may be able to improve things.

Any advice on setting the pot's would be great.

Ben.

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 7/21/2007 2:22:55 AM   
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Down load the new manual from Heli-Max's web site and that might help you out a little bit more.

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 7/21/2007 2:57:29 AM   
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Thanks, but the new manual does not have anything to add. It looks to be just the manual I have + the Gyro installation guide + the spindle replacement all put together.

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 7/21/2007 6:42:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: benlevy3

Thanks, but the new manual does not have anything to add. It looks to be just the manual I have + the Gyro installation guide + the spindle replacement all put together.
Are you unplugging the battery after a gyro adjustment? Anytime you make adjustments you need to rearm the gyro for the new setting to take affect.

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 7/21/2007 1:15:31 PM   
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Are you unplugging the battery after a gyro adjustment? Anytime you make adjustments you need to rearm the gyro for the new setting to take affect.



Yes. I unplug the batt. turn off the TX, make the adjustment, turn on the TX, pulg in the batt, arm the ESC and off I go. The gyro gain adjustments are noticable, just the hunting does not stop. At 35%, the tail will drift, but when I correct, the hunting starts for a bit (basically both ends of the spectrim).

I am sure this will be corrected by some adjustment of the e-board pots. I just don't know what to try.

Here is the text from the manual about the e-board adjustments : Axe CP Manual

Left/Right Bias: Is used to obtain a balanced feel between left and right tail rotor inputs.

Tail Rotor Trim : If the heli wants to drift one direction in a stable hover then try using this adjustment.

Gyro Gain: ... (I am guessing this is totally bypassed now).

It is not clear to me what these actually do. It sounds like the Tail Rotor Trim is a voltage regulator and the Left / Right is actually what I think of as the trim.

Ben.

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 7/21/2007 8:22:53 PM   
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With the 12 amp esc, you've taken the 3-1 out of the system as far as tail rotor control. So, the adjustments on it will not change anything.

Be sure the tail trim is centered before takeoff. Even one click out of center will throw off the gyro.

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RE: GYRO and the AXE CP - 7/21/2007 10:48:34 PM   
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Almost forgot if AVCS is on on the gyro then use the gain control on the gyro.

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