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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/19/2007 8:44:55 PM   
Don M.



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DON I'm not on your case. If you like cool power then cooooooool. Other than do your self a favor and check out most engine brand's oil recommendations. You will find just about all recommend 18% total oil and cool power only has 17% in essence it meets virtully small number of manufactures oil amount. Even in 4 stroke YS says 20% and I think Saito is now up to 20% And many still recommend a blend.



This is exactly why I'm trying to find out the correct quanity of nitro / oil. For years I have been buying 15% CP and adding 4 ozs. of Klotz oil to bring it up to ABOUT 20% oil. Then along comes this Pro Pattern 20% and I'm told ( not by Morgan mind you ) that it is 20% nitro / 20% oil and pay $5.00 extra a jug for it. So I've been using it for 2 years now and I don't have the hassles of adding oil to my fuel. But then I read on the Morgan web site that they list their 20%, 25%, 30% & 40% Pro Pattern as having 20% oil BUT ONLY 15% nitro in all of them. I was just trying to find out the truth, but it looks like it is going to evade me, Oh well

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/19/2007 9:35:24 PM   
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Have you tried to call the Morgans?, and find out the truth about the nitro and oil content.

Many companies are very lazy to reply an e.mail but are very nice people to talk to

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/19/2007 11:08:26 PM   
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Have you tried to call the Morgans?, and find out the truth about the nitro and oil content.

Many companies are very lazy to reply an e.mail but are very nice people to talk to



I have looked their website over and could only find a fax # listed under "dealers" and sent them 2 faxes - no reply. Anyway I have given up trying.

Thanks to everyone for their opions - both pro & con

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/20/2007 7:09:41 PM   
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.......The owners must be at least my age, or older by now.


actually he's no longer living, unfortunately a 'simple procedure' in a local hospital involved some 'screw up' with the anesthesia (7 or so yrs ago), the company is now ran by his survivors, they don't try to keep a low profile, they are very supportive to the local fliers and sponsor all our events. most people in town don't have a clue they are there because they are located in an old (now remodeled) house in a part of town that most people will hardly ever visit, altho it is a bit hard to miss the storage tanks out back of the plant.

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You will find just about all recommend 18% total oil and cool power only has 17% in essence it meets virtully small number of manufactures oil amount


their fuel has more oil content then they publish but they aren't going to give you the specifics, it's called trade secrets, if they gave you their recipe they wouldn't have much of a business now would they??

for those who want to ask them directly.............334-347-3525

kc

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 12:40:30 AM   
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KC that does not make sense. That Morgan advertises 17% oil but then secretly puts in more. That would be flat out false advertising. Unlike Magnum fuel of Colorado ( I think) that doesn't advertise or post any amounts. It's a known fact for every % of less oil you put in is like bumping up the nitro. Even Morgan's Heli fuel is skimpy on oil............

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 1:00:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ed Cregger

.......The owners must be at least my age, or older by now.


actually he's no longer living, unfortunately a 'simple procedure' in a local hospital involved some 'screw up' with the anesthesia (7 or so yrs ago), the company is now ran by his survivors, they don't try to keep a low profile, they are very supportive to the local fliers and sponsor all our events. most people in town don't have a clue they are there because they are located in an old (now remodeled) house in a part of town that most people will hardly ever visit, altho it is a bit hard to miss the storage tanks out back of the plant.

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You will find just about all recommend 18% total oil and cool power only has 17% in essence it meets virtully small number of manufactures oil amount


their fuel has more oil content then they publish but they aren't going to give you the specifics, it's called trade secrets, if they gave you their recipe they wouldn't have much of a business now would they??

for those who want to ask them directly.............334-347-3525

kc



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Your second quote did not come from my finger tips. I did not say that at all.


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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 1:11:17 AM   
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At least I now have a phone #. I'll spend $5.00 for a phone call tomorrow and report back.

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 1:16:05 AM   
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Thanks Don. I agree, their web site needs some work. 30% fuel with 15% nitro?

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 2:38:02 AM   
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Even Morgan's Heli fuel is skimpy on oil............


their 30% heli fuel has MORE then 22% oil and is a fantastic fuel. like i told you in the email response to your long list of bashing OS engines as junk the only common thing between the bashing of Bad Morgan Fuel / The Junky OS Engines and you.........is you.

@ Ed, i know the second comment wasn't typed by you, it's quoted but i didn't type out the ORIGINAL: part, my apologies if you felt it was directed at you.

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That Morgan advertises 17% oil but then secretly puts in more. That would be flat out false advertising.


there fuel is constantly under improvement, they spend many hours testing different blends of different viscosity oils and different types as well as Castor blends to give us a superior fuel (which they do) that is more powerful, burns cleaner, lubricates the engine better, and gives overall better performance and engine life at the expense of they don't keep their website all that up to date. myself I'll overlook that and continue to use their fuel and if it works as good the next 18 yrs that it has for me the past 18 i have nothing at all to ever worry about.

kc

EDIT: @ speedster 1919

i looked over the lengthy email you sent and if one is to believe your statements (which i honestly do not) then not counting the failed engines you've ruined (which included countless OS engines) but just the ones you considered a successfully designed/quality engine and your statement that you've personally bolted them on a test stand and with two fuel brands (two engines at the time of the same make/model) that comes to a total of 12 THOUSAND gallon of fuel you claim to have burned doing these tests..........any company (and we know it's not Morgan) that would supply anyone with that quantity of fuel for testing is out of their mind and know they have an inferior product to start with. myself I'd love to see pics of this setup with the simi tanker trucks of fuel that you're testing.

seams to be allot of smoke blowing going on there, and it's not coming out the exhaust of a glow engine. i will however give a call to one of the pattern guys in my local club, he's one of the testers for Morgan and I'll see if he's got some 'gallonage before failure' reports like you claim.


EDIT #2 i just did a little searching of your (speedster 1919) postings from the past, just a year ago you are refering to this 100g/400h as something you know nothing personaly about yet in the above mentioned email you clearly state you yourself being retired have been doing these tests for a model fuel mfg company there in your own back yard becasue you live in the middle of nowhere and have your very own flying strip for many yrs now, yet at the same time you were posting how you made your own fuel...............you also constantly posted in 05 about 'Nitro causes heat and destroys engines', and in many many posts you brag about living in Indy racing capital of the world yet you know little about Nitro, it's burns cooler........ why? ..........becaue it slows the rate at which methonol burns reducing the combustion temp as well as the exhaust temp, the extra power comes from the O2 it produces as it is burned. you sir are a BS'er and for lack of a better term a 'Lier'

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 10:43:03 AM   
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KC What I sent you was a quote from another RCU member from 2005 and I added and signed the very last line I typed. I sent it thur RCU and not sure what the quote would look like on your end.

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 11:20:22 AM   
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Quote ..........becaue it slows the rate at which methonol burns reducing the combustion temp as well as the exhaust temp, the extra power comes from the O2 it produces as it is burned.

This is wrong, else why does my old High Compression Saito 1.50 rattle like a Mack 711 with 800,000 miles on it when I try to run 25% nitro in it, plainly spoken, it gets hotter.

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 11:21:23 AM   
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KC quit being an A$$WH*!e
First I said Morgan is a little skimpy on their heli mix oil. Look at the link to their blends (heli) on their web site. Lets see Oh there's heli 17% oil and then there's heli 18% oil --Oh I now see heli 20% oil (30%) and yes I do see a 30% heli with 22% oil.
http://www.morganfuel.com/cp_blends.htm
Second I am not retired - I do sell paint to many different race teams of all types ( closed and open wheel and drag) The general consensis from most of them is nitro breaks engines and is slightly corrosive and slowly eats internal metal parts. Now you take 0% fuel and run your engine and now put in your precious 30% nitro and don't touch the needles -lets see how cool your engine will run now. OH -it won't run well it has to be alot richer . Thems fighten words calling me a lier.............

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 11:46:15 AM   
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I really don't know what you guys are on about ... its getting very personal. For me this is how it goes. I love to run CP 25% heli fuel and also 15% heli. Just a habit but these are my observations. I run 25% nitro on my 4C engines, Saito and YS. Have tried it on my 2C engines too. I do get more power on 25% nitro, I do need to run it richer but it does not get hotter for the power I am getting.

Of course if you run straight fuel (FAI) and then change to 25% nitro, you will need to run it richer, the nitro makes it more 'efficient' (for want of a better word). You can over heat an engine on FAI fuel or 50% nitro. All I can say is that on 25% nitro my engines DO NOT over heat at all when you tune it properly and I get more RPMs for sure.

I hear that nitro is corrosive. Not seen its effects yet but I guess eventually it will.

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 11:46:24 AM   
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My, Oh My, what have I created

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