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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 6:04:28 PM   
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Watch the all alcohol funny cars and dragsters run. Notice they don't have huge flames coming out of the exhaust pipes. Because, guess what, the methanol burns faster than the nitro.


amazing how that is exactly what has been stated many times and you argue, the Nitro slows the burn rate when mixed, do you in all honesty believe that the glow fuel we use when burned in the engine, burns the methanol and the nitro separately??? when you MIX the two, the combination burns slower, again i apologize that you can't seam to see the forest for the trees being all in the way.

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 6:28:56 PM   
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Hi!
.....And all the guy asked for was why Morgan fuels had so strange pecentage labeling....
No answer yet as I could see...







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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 6:53:49 PM   
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amazing how that is exactly what has been stated many times and you argue, the Nitro slows the burn rate when mixed,



That is not what you said, you said that the nitro slows the burn rate of the methanol down. When you mix fuels you usually end up with an average between the two and not take on the characteristics of one of them. The fuel burns slower because the nitro burns slower, the methanol is burning at its own rate. The introduction of nitro speeds up the flame front which causes detonation, but at the same time its residual continues to burn, so the fuel has charatistics of both fast burning and slow burning fuel.


This is about the best article I have seen on nitro, at least as it is used in drag racing.


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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 7:46:04 PM   
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That is not what you said, you said that the nitro slows the burn rate of the methanol down. When you mix fuels you usually end up with an average between the two and not take on the characteristics of one of them. The fuel burns slower because the nitro burns slower, the methanol is burning at its own rate. The introduction of nitro speeds up the flame front which causes detonation, but at the same time its residual continues to burn, so the fuel has charatistics of both fast burning and slow burning fuel.


This is about the best article I have seen on nitro, at least as it is used in drag racing.




when you mix nitromethane and methonol to make glow fuel, the resulting mixture burns OVERALL at a slower rate and at a cooler temperture. the methonol isn't burning at it's normal rate and leaving behind the nitro at its slower burning rate, the mixture is as a whole burning slower then a straight methonol mix. it's just like the mixing of lead and tin to make solder, lead melts at 621º F, tin melts at 450º F, yet a 60/40 mix of the two results in a melting temp of 370º F, far lower then either of the originals, they don't melt at their own representative melting points, just like the mix of nitro and methonol don't burn at their original prespective burn rates.

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 8:06:48 PM   
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That is not what you said, you said that the nitro slows the burn rate of the methanol down. When you mix fuels you usually end up with an average between the two and not take on the characteristics of one of them. The fuel burns slower because the nitro burns slower, the methanol is burning at its own rate. The introduction of nitro speeds up the flame front which causes detonation, but at the same time its residual continues to burn, so the fuel has charatistics of both fast burning and slow burning fuel.


This is about the best article I have seen on nitro, at least as it is used in drag racing.




when you mix nitromethane and methonol to make glow fuel, the resulting mixture burns OVERALL at a slower rate and at a cooler temperture. the methonol isn't burning at it's normal rate and leaving behind the nitro at its slower burning rate, the mixture is as a whole burning slower then a straight methonol mix.
Actually I think this is very likely. In fact most likely the nitro if anything is speeding up the burn rate of the methanol. Nitro doesn't exactly burn slower, it actually burns quicker or at least the flame front, but it also burns longer. Maybe a better way to explain it is it burns like a log which has been soaked in kerosene?

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it's just like the mixing of lead and tin to make solder, lead melts at 621º F, tin melts at 450º F, yet a 60/40 mix of the two results in a melting temp of 370º F, far lower then either of the originals, they don't melt at their own representative melting points, just like the mix of nitro and methonol don't burn at their original prespective burn rates.

kc



This is the interaction of the molecules, or molecules which has a weaker bond to another element


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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 8:31:18 PM   
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Actually I think this is very likely. In fact most likely the nitro if anything is speeding up the burn rate of the methanol. Nitro doesn't exactly burn slower, it actually burns quicker or at least the flame front, but it also burns longer.


methanol has a flash point of 67º F, Nitromethane 110º F so how would you come to the conclusion that the nitro would have a quicker flame front?

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 8:54:16 PM   
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methanol has a flash point of 67º F, Nitromethane 110º F so how would you come to the conclusion that the nitro would have a quicker flame front?


Flash point and flame front speed are not the same thing. One is evaporation and the other is combustion. Also I believe nitro has a flash point below 100, or else it would not be labeled flamable. It is like saying that diesel doen't burn as hot because it has a higher flash point. Coal has a very high flash point but it burns very hot. Especially when ground into a powder.

I believe the flame front speed is mentioned in that Wikipedia article.

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 9:19:07 PM   
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.............. Also I believe nitro has a flash point below 100, or else it would not be labeled flamable.


as mentioned many times by many people in many different threads about what you debate it's always what you believe not what you know to be factual. the flash point of Nitromethane IS 110º F and is listed with hazards of flammable (with a rating of 3)


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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 9:34:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I say, "I believe", it usually means I am recalling from memory and not that I know it not to be factual. I do not make stuff up, but sometime my memory fails me. It is actually 35 degrees centigrade and if over 100 degrees it would have a rating of flamability rating of 2 not 3. If you were so certain why did you not post a link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitromethane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFPA_704

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 9:43:30 PM   
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When I say, "I believe", it usually means I am recalling from memory and not that I know it not to be factual. I do not make stuff up, but sometime my memory fails me. It is actually 35 degrees centigrade and if over 100 degrees it would have a rating of flamability rating of 2 not 3. If you were so certain why did you not post a link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitromethane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFPA_704


are you so hell bent that you are right that you don't even bother to read the link you posted............it clearly shows a flammability rating of 3 on the Wikipidia link.

also from the MSDS on Nitromethane

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Flash Points: CLOSED CUP: 35°C (95°F). OPEN CUP: 44.44°C (112°F)

HMIS (U.S.A.):
p. 5
Health Hazard: 1
Fire Hazard: 3
Reactivity: 3
Personal Protection: j
National Fire Protection Association (U.S.A.):
Health: 1
Flammability: 3
Reactivity: 4


also you have to compensate for changes in barometric pressure as this plays a bit with the numbers.

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 9:56:16 PM   
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are you so hell bent that you are right that you don't even bother to read the link you posted............it clearly shows a flammability rating of 3 on the Wikipidia link.


If you would read my lips instead of trying to dig a deeper hole you would know that I said it is rated at 3 and has a flashpoint of 95 degrees. You said it had a flashpoint of 110 degrees if it did it would have a rating of 2 not the 3 it is rated at.

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 9:57:39 PM   
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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/21/2007 10:02:23 PM   
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If you would read my lips instead of trying to dig a deeper hole you would know that I said it is rated at 3 and has a flashpoint of 95 degrees. You said it had a flashpoint of 110 degrees if it did it would have a rating of 2 not the 3 it is rated at.


a 3 is Liquids and solids that can be ignited under almost all ambient conditions.

a 2 is Must be moderately heated or exposed to relatively high temperature before ignition can occur.

110° isn't moderately heated nor a relatively high temperature. lots of places in this world have ambient temps of 110° F NITRO IS FLAMMABLE

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/22/2007 12:34:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		hi i need help im new i need to know what type of nitro fuel the magnum nx monster truck takes i need to know asap plz.i hope you help me

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RE: Cool Power Fuel Question ?? - 2/22/2007 12:37:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		hobbsy will you help me find out what type of nitro fuel is needed to run the magnum nx monster truck i need help bad.

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