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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/18/2003 10:29:25 PM   
sfaust



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by HarryC


Which takes us back to my original point. Look at the difference in the programming in my original post. Then read what you have said above. Can't you see what is wrong with your "objection" to Multiplex? It is the JR interface that is truly awful. The Mpx is as easy as it can get.

Harry [/QUOTE]

I have no objection to Multiplex at all. Never said I did. I've only stated that they have a funky design, a lack of presence, and a stigma in the US because of its design and user interface that will be hard to overcome.

I had a problem with the way you posted your initial response if you read back. So no, I can't see what is wrong with my objection. Either the Mpx is as easy at its gets, but is very limited in functionality, or you just elected not to post a lot of information which skews the argument in favor of Multiplex.

You said its as easy as Assign servo X = elevator That’s it. No kidding.

I think there is lots more that you are not telling us. Then you posted a reference to a programming example on the JR where they go into great detail on the same setup. So here are my objections to that post, and a question for you to clarify;

The JR post stated to plug in the servos to channel 3 and 7. You didn't mention this at all. Either the Multiplex has the ability to automatically plug in the servos for the user, or you neglected to mention that even on the Mpx, the user needs to plug in the servos. So the comparison is already off to a rocky start.

The JR post stated the directions to get into the menu needed to enable the function on that radio. Either the Mpx is always at that menu ready for the "assign servo X = elevator", of you neglected to bring up that information as well.

The JR example shows the user how to adjust the end points on the servos so that you can match the two surfaces precisely. Either the Multiplex does not have this capability, or again, you neglected to bring this point up, as would be fair in this comparison.

The JR example tells the user how to turn on and off the elevator trim to work on both elevators if desired. Either the Multiplex can't do this, or again you glossed over this and didn't bring it up.

And so on......

So no, I can't use your example to determine anything except either the Multiplex is very limited in its functionality, or the comparison you presented lacked a whole lot of information that the JR example was more than happy to submit.

Maybe you can enlighten us on which it is? Does the Multiplex user have to setup end points? Can the Mpx user turn on and off the linked trims on both servos? Does the user need to also plug in the servos, or does the Mpx somehow manage this?

Was the comparison fair, IMHO, hardly! So I can draw no conclusions at all from your example, other than it wasn't a fair fight from the start.

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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/18/2003 10:55:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Harry,
You original statement would be like me saying on a Futaba 9C, do this: Ailevator: Active. It's that easy, no kidding.

Then I could go into how you do it on the Multiplex, including trying to decipher the manual, plugging in the servos into the right channels, etc. You get the point.


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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/19/2003 2:17:57 AM   
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"LF - you drive your Lexus and I will drive my Merc and we will both be happy. "

Actually ,I drive Jaguar . I understand your choice .
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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/19/2003 3:06:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ladyflyer
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"LF - you drive your Lexus and I will drive my Merc and we will both be happy. "

Actually ,I drive Jaguar . I understand your choice .
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I don't understand either of your choices ! Until I sold it for the motor home, I drove a Carrera 911. What's up with you guys anyway

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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/19/2003 3:10:40 AM   
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Selling a 911 Carrera for a motor home ???? : : :

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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/19/2003 4:18:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm.... And I thought that a BIG benefit to splitting elevator servo channels would be to reverse one servo (when a Y wouldn't work anyway) and not bother with extra reversing electronics.

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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/19/2003 4:20:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		You've never tried to sleep in a 911, or eh, ah, gone potty in one have you.

But damn, did I get everywhere REAL FAST!

Opps, yea, I forgot I did scare myself a few times, so skip the potty comment

Truth be known, I was going to get myself killed in it. I never ever drove my mini-van pushing the limits on sharp corners, doing 140mph on the highway, of trying to splat my passengers face on the windshield doing very hard braking demonstrations to show the capabilities of the car.

I am shamed to admit I have done so with regular frequency in the Carrera. I miss it, but I think I will live longer. Life is just a bunch of trade offs.

Now, if I ever get the chance to buy a Lamborgini, watch how fast that motor home will go........straight to the dealers

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left one out - 2/19/2003 4:42:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		ladyFlyer. . you forgot . . .Infiniti Q45. I daresay, in my profession (I FIX all these cars at one time or another) I have found exactly TWO cars that I would own if money were no object. . The Q-45, and the JaguarXJ12. Beyond that. . everything else is just a car. . The Q-ship and Jag are Automobiles.

As for all this radio hassling going on . .here's my straightforward approach to it. . If i NEED it. . I'll buy it. . .if I WANT it. . I'll consider buying it. . If I have no need for it, or can't see a need for it in the near future, I'll never buy it.

On that very simple premise, remember this. . I don't NEED a $135 MPX servo when I can get a $70 hitec servo that is faster with more torque and smoother operation. I don't NEED to buy a $1500 MPX radio system when my 8103 or 5 year old 10sx do everything I ask of them and cost about $300/transmitter. I don't NEED the new funky PPM modulation receivers from MPX that incorporate a failsafe feature, when I can get less expensive PCM receivers from JR and Airronics that do the exact same thing. And lastly. . .I don't NEED to worry about learning yet another set of menues and instructions by switching to MPX, when I already have JR and Airtronics systems that are "fall off a horse" easy to program. Heck, I didn't even open the users manual for my JR8103 for the first month i flew RC, it was just that easy to program. . and the 10sx??? Even easier . Don't even HAVE a manual for it.

Come out with a better, easier to use, and less expensive product, the way HiTec did, and people will come a-running to buy it. Throw tehm curveballs, the way MPX has been known to, and they'll just walk away.

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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/19/2003 5:20:07 AM   
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sfaust, I have driven a 911 a few times, a good friend of my father had one, and I was able to talk him into letting me take a spin in it a couple of times....
Unfortunately, I have never been able to own one, but I think the sleep issue wouldn't be that bad, propbably with a 911 under my butt, I wouldn't feel the need for sleep

I don't think that I would kill myself with it, but after a few weeks I probably would be out of gas money, because of all the speeding tickets......

Last year I took a trip to Germany, and had to do quite a lot of driving on the Autobahn. Well, the rental I had wouldn't go faster than 200 km/h ( 125 mph), but even a those speeds, I always had a Mercedes, Audi, or whatever behind me flashing the lights, urging me to get out of the fast lane.
It's amazing how quickly you can get used to these speeds, when I got back to Cincinnati, on my regular commute, all of a sudden I was up to 90 mph, and wondering why everybody else was giong so slow... Fortunately, I realized my mistake before roaring by a cop cruiser...

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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/19/2003 7:40:54 AM   
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Read post #23 on. Maybe THAT'S why... )


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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/19/2003 3:43:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ladyflyer
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Actually ,I drive Jaguar . I understand your choice .
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Steady on there - next thing you will find yourself using Multiplex.

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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/20/2003 1:54:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Used Multiplex. No chance I'll go back at present.
There are a FEW Jaguars in the barn. My hubby collects the things. We have owned quite a few automotive APPLIANCES of German origin as well .


[COLOR=orangered]Now, with the Germans siding with Iraq---- Oooops POLITICAL [/COLOR]

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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/20/2003 2:21:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Germany and France are both socialists...on the oops part. I used to drink German beer, until now, and never have liked snails.

But that being said, Mercedes is the best automobile in the world, then Cadillac, then a multitude of things including a Yugo before lexus gets on the board.

On the radio side, I have some friends that have Multiplex and there are only a few things I like better about their design. One is the antenna angle, seems like common sense but no one else has it.

Either way, Multiplex and JR are both overpriced. On the features, everyone has there own tastes.

Now that FORD seems to have Jaguar electrical systems fixed, maybe I will finally start saving up for an S-class....

(Wait...I'm putting on my nomex)

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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/20/2003 2:47:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		My Father recently did one of the DUMBEST things I know of. . he sold off his CHERRY XK140 (Midnight blue with grey interior) and a 3.4L sedan in order to buy a Mercedes. . .

I think I'll disown him. . . .nothing worth inheritting now

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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/20/2003 4:07:15 AM   
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Why are Multiplex users so darned evangelical about it? - 2/20/2003 4:34:14 AM   
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sfaust, I have driven a 911 a few times, a good friend of my father had one, and I was able

Last year I took a trip to Germany, and had to do quite a lot of driving on the Autobahn. Well, the rental I had wouldn't go faster than 200 km/h ( 125 mph), but even a those speeds, I always had a Mercedes, Audi, or whatever behind me flashing the lights, [/QUOTE]

Then you know Michael, why I always had a big grin from ear to ear that never quit for days during the summer. My wife thought it was because I was so happy with our marriage, and with the fringe benefits of that, why burst her bubble (actually, it was true anyway).

The only time I got to get on the Autobahn, I was driving a Citre