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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/12/2003 12:07:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok guys what do you think, in preperation of the release of our nitrous oxide injection kit we needed a name. We have come up with JAGGAS™, or possibly JAG-GAS™ what do you guys think? If you don't know about it you can get more info at [url]www.jagrc.com[/url]
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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/13/2003 12:48:53 AM   
darkroland


 

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Status: offline 		Holy crap, nitrous for RC?

Is that even controllable under that much power??

Sounds like a sweet idea, I'll check it out. Have you mostly installed it in on-road cars or what?

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/13/2003 3:01:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nitrous Oxide? WHY BOTHER? Nitromethane in a liquid form offers virtually the same advantages of increased power and has some of the same limitations as nitro-compression ratio limitations, engine timing/porting, etc....

Here is what I don't understand. Nitrous in full scale auto applications is only applied in limited bursts at full throttle. Fuel injected engines compensate with increased fuel delivery (usually higher flow fuel injectors are required with nitro in a car to prevent destructive detonation from a lean mixture when the "switch is flipped' and nitro is introduced to the intake system.

The only way I see to tune a RC car carb high end is with the nitrous being introduced. If not, than the addition of nitrous will cause a too lean mixture and its associated problems. Once the nitro runs out or before nitro is introduced, your engine's top end will be significantly off peak performance due to being overrich.

A more practical way to get power at a lower cost is to displacement. If I wanted even a little more power, I'd add an extra head shim and extra nitromethane in my fuel mix--all for a lot less money and better reliability and performance.

From an engineering point of view, the NOX is interesting and I applaud you for experimenting.

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/14/2003 3:16:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		why bother?? i agree with that mechanic guy plus i downloaded that vidoe of it it just looks like a t-maxx runnin down a street. and how would you have a bottle of no2 that would last without adding to much weight that stuff isnt that cheap dont cha know

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/14/2003 4:08:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		So you can incease power by adding more nitro % to your fuel, but you will also run hotter, with nitrous we are finding our temps are dropping by 20 degrees or so. Also our kit does not weigh much, and we are able to get about 20 seconds out of one fill. The nitrous actually is pretty inexpensive.

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/14/2003 8:33:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		with a bottle of no2 on ur car what would happen if u flip it and u puncture the bottle wouldnt u be saying bye bye to ur toy? i dunno maybe im wrong


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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/14/2003 10:00:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guarntee you it will decrease the life of your engine, just like the real thing. Unless you beef your real cars engine up your gonna break something.

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/14/2003 10:02:24 AM   
eddiedeverell


 

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/15/2003 9:34:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Still sounds pretty cool.

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/16/2003 12:59:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		So first off our bottles have gaurds on them to prevent damage to the bottle, in the event your bottle should get damaged nitrous is not exposive contrary to popular beleif. If the bottle were to get punctured it would just vent and be done. Second nitrous oxide does in fact take some of the life from your engine, I won't even try to hide that fact. Anything you do to your engine will shorten engine life, including running higher nitro content, or even porting and polishing your engine. I will say however I ran an M16 for almost a year and abused it and ran it hard on nitrous. It finally flipped in some mud and the air cleaner popped off, but up until that point (Which was ruffly 4-5 gallons) it had great compression!

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hey - 2/16/2003 3:04:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		sounds kinda un-needed/ nuts, but you know what? the market wouldnt think that. anytime nitrous is metioned, people are all hyped and wowed over it. if people really knew what it was then it might be different, but it looks kool to all the usual movie-watchers, it would guaranteed be a seller. i bet you could make millions off of something like that..... ill give you credit though, it does sound interesting.....

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/16/2003 5:08:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nitrous Oxide is primarily used as a fuel additive because it releases axygen and boosts power. But in this case it is not practical because what we need is torque.. not HP.. not really

Also.. the calorific value between gasoline and Nos is VERY large!
But here its like mixing 2 different kinds of gasoline.. its a LOT of trouble for nothing!
cool? YES!
Bang for Buck? NOPE!
my humble opinion anyway!
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hey - 2/16/2003 5:18:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		nitrous is not an additive, if it was an additive we could simply pour it in the gas tank, or the valve would be in the tank, to mix with fuel... it is a system of its own, easiest way to say is that it is a pressurized tank that forces oxygen molecules into the mixture of gas at the intake, where it is almost a mix, i still dont fully uderstand it.... but it is a force fed system,obviously this means nitrous isnt flammable, just pressurized oxy.......

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/16/2003 6:25:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		EXACTLY!
Your perfectly correct. Nitrous is a catalyst but its NOT fuel by itself. Thats why I dont think its practical do do this.
Well it is an additive because if you could.. you would pour it into your gas tank.. but cannot because it is a gas. So you have to inject it separately. The system is complex because you have to ensure uniform distribution of the gas to each cylinder or you will get disastrous results eventually leading to a failed engine.
-ram

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/17/2003 8:25:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		you say you get twenty seconds of run time?? and how much are the bottles? im still sceptic and i dont think it will work just my opinion

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/21/2003 2:09:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		NOS is a gas at STP. What you want is Analytical grade Hydrogen Peroxide. the 2% stuff in stores isn't worth your time but the good stuff is 28% This is H2O2 and is liquid. This stuff is STRICTLY BANNED in NHRA. Racers in the 60's and 70's added it to Nitromethane because it was undetectable when added but worked like NOS in gasoline. I have played with it a little and about 10-12ml per 125CC is about right. provides a 20% increase in speed and acceleration but temps were well above 325F and normally were 240F. You have to go to a chemical supply house to get it and I'm certain you cannot be a minor. BTW this stuff is VERY VERY VERY VERY caustic. It will burn your FLESH!!!!! Use chemical gloves when handling.

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/21/2003 11:45:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was not aware of that! Hydrogen peroxide?! heh

I see a potential problem.. H2O2.. breaks down.. give out an O and what do we have? WATER!!!
So after combustion were gonna have water vapor in our exhaust!
This cannot be good with a 2 stroker!

-ram

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Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 2/21/2003 4:32:06 PM   
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You're forgetting that the "good" hydrogen peroxide is 72% water to start with. The extra you get from the burning reaction is virtually negligable by comparison.

There's an advantage to the water though, it pulls heat from the engine as it passes through.

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