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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 4:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		the cooling effect comes in when the n2o changes state from a liquid to a gas. just the same thing happens when your air conditioning is in operation. when it changes state, liquid to gas, it absorbs a huge amount of heat. cooled air is denser so therefor ity contains mor o2. so you are getting the double effect of n2o having more o2 in it and the increased density of the air containing more o2.


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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 4:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is not entirely the case with our kit. We are not injecting liquid nitrous (We had problems with it freezing our tiny valve shut) the nitrous still comes in cold but not as cold as liquid would be. There is also the reaction when the nitrogen and oxygen atoms seperate there is a endothermic reaction when they seperate causing even more heat loss, which results in a cooler engine. Also the nitrogen helps carry heat our the exhaust.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 4:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok i see from your website the valve is on the bottle and that is how you are controlling the injection. if you had a solenoid next to the carb instead of using the valve on the bottle you would get an even better boost, even better if you inject it into the fuel line! because of the heat absorbtion i was speaking of you could make the fuel more denser and therefore more would get into the engine per cycle. i have no doubt your system works, i am only trying to give you ideas as to how you can improve it!
i also doubt if you are gonne sell many of them if you only get a 20 second burst at 125 bux apiece!!! oh wait you get 7 bottles so you get 140 seconds of burst for only 125 bux!! what a deal! if you could set it up to hold 2 of them lil bottles at a time might make it work for a longer time too.

a bigger motor costs less than that and lasts much longer

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 5:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		We have a dual bottle setup, also your not going to have to spend $125 every time you want more nitrous. You can buy just bottles for around $1.50 as time goes on that price should come down considerably. Also 7 bottles would be more like 210 seconds worth of nitrous. We have found when the nitrous system is tuned properly we get about 30 seconds out of each bottle.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 5:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		i thought u said 20 secs on an earilier post, it doesn't matter for the money it costs i don't think it will fly. most people will take that 125 and spend it on a bigger engine or a trick pipe or gears or.......you get the idea. not a bad idea i just think you are tryin to get too much money for it. i mean heck its only a lil bottle, a valve and a piece of hose!!! get it down to around 20 bux and you will sell bunches of them!

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 5:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		With the amount of machining that has gone into each peice (We did not do any work on CNC it has all be done manually) that is actually a very reasonable price. Also you can buy a bigger engine and get even more power out of it with the nitrous kit. We will eventually go to a mold injected nitrous kit but right now we are having to do aluminum,

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 7:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is where I’m very intrigued and interested in your NOS kits Gear-Head:

My RC hobby is nothing but. A few planes, a coupla heliz, and two stadium trucks, it’s all back yard fun so to speak. However, there is an IEDA (the world fastest) RC drag strip owned by a friend of mine in town. The only reason I haven’t jumped on that band wagon as well, is that there are only two races per year there so I’ve been hesitant about spending the money on an RC drag car. I’ve been talking to Corbett (track owner) about doing bracket racing twice a month if I/we can get enough people in the area interested. Now the NOS on a backyard speedster is a bit ridiculous (but would be cooj) but on a weekend dragster……..ooh-la-la. I’m going to wait a bit for more developments from you guys so keep me posted. I see some inconsistent time slips with your current system but I know you guys are working on it and I’m definitely keeping track of your advances.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 10:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Funny you should mention drag racing, our test kit has been sent out to a drag racer. He is going to be writing a review along with some dyno results!

FYI, check out our site, it has changed drastically

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 11:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GALAXY

Whatever,don't even need to be open flame...if you inhale it,and blow it through a lit cigartte ,you get a white/blue 2'' flame.Seems pretty flammable to me :


im not sure if this post was deleted or just lost when the forums were changed over but ill post it again:

GALAXY: goto www.darwinawards.com they have your award(s) waiting

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/17/2003 11:30 PM   
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Maybe i missed something....
HIPPLE, what are you talking about??? Nitrous will NOT burn your skin. Do know what nitrous is? Its laughing gas, the same stuff your dentist uses to "put you to sleep". Its NOT added to gas, its a gas that is mixed with the air/fuel mixture in the combustion chamber (actually in the intake) which "adds" more oxygen to the fuel mixture to give you more power.
Again, maybe i missed something you said.



Yeah, you missed it. I was talking about the Analytical grade of hydrogen peroxide. I'm not talking about the stuff at Wal-Mart. I mean from a chemical supply house and IT WILL BURN OFF YOUR SKIN!!!! I have pictures if you would like to see.


On a side note, NOS is stable and non-flammable. They put sulfur in non-medical grade so you can smell it. This does 2 things; 1. If you have a leak in your car, you stop and fix it before you pass out and wreck. 2. It keeps some people from trying to huff it

Pure O2 on the other hand is also not flammable, it is explosive, if triggered in some way. By itself it is pretty harmless.

Nitrous is only banned in some classes. Some classes it is allowed. HYDROGEN PEROXIDE is BANNED by the NHRA. I can get my 5 year old to read my post to you, if you think that would help

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/18/2003 2:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nitrous Oxide does “burn” the skin. Its several hundred degree’s below zero. Direct skin contact is instant frostbite (commonly referred to as a “burn”). Hell, N2O starts to boil at -129 degrees F (yes, that’s minus 129 degrees F.

And there is no difference in medical grade (the stuff the dentist puts you to sleep with) and non-medical grade (the stuff for your car) other than the sulfur added in non-medical grade.

The N2O is the same. Only difference is, medical bottles do not have a siphon tube therefore you only get the actual gas. For automotive (engines), there is a siphon tube that enables you too retrieve nitrous in liquid form.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/18/2003 2:42 AM   
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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/18/2003 3:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well considering it has already happened, in fact RC Driver and RC Car Action Magazine both have a kit for review I would say JAGGAS is a much better name.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/18/2003 4:39 AM   
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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/21/2003 12:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		So....where's it at? Whats taking so long?

Mauru...if you knew what you were talkin about you'd know that to recieve a Darwin award you have to either kill yourself or disable your ability to reproduce...we sure don't need another one of you.You think I would just try that without seeing it safely done first?Whatever...go run your RTR.

JAGGAS = JACKASS.....sound similar?

Gear-Head...you sent the "drag racer" a kit over 2 months ago,wheres his review and Dyno results? I'm not dissin the idea at all and I'm actually trying to make a system myself,but maybe you should learn to keep quiet until its actually ready.I understand theres a need to generate hype but if you string people along long enough,they lose interest.You say you didn't CNC any of it and it was all done by hand,is that because you don't have a CNC and you're doing it in a garage and after you sell a few kits you hope to be able to make enough to have them molded?Whats the deal man?I gotta go with Todd on this.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/29/2004 6:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		first of all.... Nitrous Oxide is a way of getting more oxygen in an engine, thats all it does. It has the same effect as running the engine lean, except if you richen out the fuel/air mixture and add NO2 you can force alot more oxygen and fuel into the combustion chamber. Secondly, to answer the questions about the cost of nitrous oxide, It's pretty cheap. Those canisters that are used were (probably) from a commercial whipped cream dispenser. You can get them on ebay for cheap if you buy them in bulk (e.g. 72 for $30). I used ebay to buy my nitrous chargers for the r/c kit i made out of an old CO2 bb-gun.

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/29/2004 9:54 AM   
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This information hasn't been noted before.

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/29/2004 6:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		hey billy man what ever happened to lazershop and his n2o system and blower setup?


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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/29/2004 7:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		whoops this is old... my bad. delete post please.

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/30/2004 2:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Raz, last I spoke to him, he says he’s been busy as hell with work. Also said that he’s about finished getting his car back together and whatnot but I don’t know if that includes the nos system or not. His CNC is busted so the blower went on the shelf for a while.

Maybe he’ll rear his ugly head in here sometime in the future. *shrugs*

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/30/2004 3:38 AM   
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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/30/2004 7:19 AM   
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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/30/2004 8:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		i dont mean to be an azz but i wanna clear some stuff up

yes nitrous oxide is an oxidizer but adding the oxidizer is only half of what it does... alot of the increase in HP with n2o is cuz it cools the engine very cold very fast
and no its not an additive... all that jazz you see on movies like "fast and false" or whatever that movie is, is mostly fake... n2o is NOT flammable... the only way a bottle of n2o would explode is if the ambient temp of the bottle was hot enough to raise the psi of the gas past the rating of the bottle unless it had a burst disk installed...

the best way i could see using a n2o system on our little 2 stroke motors is to have a sprayer ejecting on the engine itself cooling the motor... if you ran it through the fuel line one of 2 things will happen...

a: the engine will lean out and bog down thus having to richen the fuel mix and have the same result as a rc supercharger... example: you have a 1.5 HP motor when perfectly tuned... to stop the n2o or supercharger from leaning it out you richen the mix wich brings the HP down to 1.0 HP... then the boost from the n2o or supercharger would add a slight HP gain bringing it up to 1.3 HP overall losing .2 HP... this is not documented but common sence...

2: the gas from the non sifon cartrige will pressurize the tank and carb pushing the fuel back into the tank and fill the engine with strait n2o leaning it out and bogging down

d: i dunno... i just dont see it working

no offence to any of the jaggas guys or anything but most of you people are just falling for the oldest trick in the book... the power of suggestion... but hey, money makes the world go round

just my 2 cents

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/30/2004 6:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		It looks pretty real in the videos:

http://www.jagrc.com/test.mpg

You can see the servo open the NOS valve and the truck jumps off the test rollers. I guess those guys are really good with computer graphics or something cause they sure fooled me.

JAGGAS is fighting an uphill battle with the NOS abuse functions that are in place. The NOS in these kits are denatured and won't be huffable. That's not a big deal though because denatured NOS doesn't effect performace. The bottle manufactures, however, are now purposely making the values in these special canisters leak (after it's been opened). After the seal is broken, the Nitrous will leak out around the value in a matter of 2 minutes. JAGRC has some of the old bottles on back order but a solution must be found so JAG customers can use the "leaky bottles" as well as the normal bottles. Rumor has it that in the next week or two a prototype of a "leaky bottle" adapter will be functional. Once produced this adapter will allow use of the leaky bottles and will be a free upgrade to existing and future JAG RC customers.

Oh yeah all the above stuff is just heresay and rumor so please don't put much stock in it -- it's just what I heard.

This is surely something I want to mess around with.

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/30/2004 9:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		all that video is showing is someone giving the truck mid throttle and then a servo kicks in when they give the truck full throttle...

what i wanna see is a comparison video of full throttle from dead stop then another video of full throttle with the bottle from dead stop... you can tell he isnt giving it full throttle in the videos cuz the truck on rollers would rev up alot faster than that shown... do you get what i'm saying?...

i'm sure some of you understand...

and if you watch the video its proving the first theory i explained... its leaning out the engine... but like i said before power of suggestion is strong with the younger crowd cuz they dont know any better...they are gonna be only focused on the fact of saying "my car/truck has n2o"... then next thing you know you will see an owner of one of these systems starting a new topic saying " need help with picking new engine... my old one blew up"...

do you understand i'm not trying to down anyone or anything like that... i'm just trying to explain that its not worth it...

i'm sure anyone who knows about this would agree with me... since i have had my hands on n2o systems and building hot rods since i was 6 years old and been working on 2 stroke motors for over 6 years i'm positive i know what i'm talking about...

but you dont have to listen to me, go and spend your money and make this kid rich... like stated before money makes the world go round and ignorance is a big part of it... think about that

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