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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 1:08:56 AM   
blue62



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Status: offline 		the cooling effect comes in when the n2o changes state from a liquid to a gas. just the same thing happens when your air conditioning is in operation. when it changes state, liquid to gas, it absorbs a huge amount of heat. cooled air is denser so therefor ity contains mor o2. so you are getting the double effect of n2o having more o2 in it and the increased density of the air containing more o2.


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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 1:14:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is not entirely the case with our kit. We are not injecting liquid nitrous (We had problems with it freezing our tiny valve shut) the nitrous still comes in cold but not as cold as liquid would be. There is also the reaction when the nitrogen and oxygen atoms seperate there is a endothermic reaction when they seperate causing even more heat loss, which results in a cooler engine. Also the nitrogen helps carry heat our the exhaust.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 1:28:59 AM   
blue62



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Status: offline 		ok i see from your website the valve is on the bottle and that is how you are controlling the injection. if you had a solenoid next to the carb instead of using the valve on the bottle you would get an even better boost, even better if you inject it into the fuel line! because of the heat absorbtion i was speaking of you could make the fuel more denser and therefore more would get into the engine per cycle. i have no doubt your system works, i am only trying to give you ideas as to how you can improve it!
i also doubt if you are gonne sell many of them if you only get a 20 second burst at 125 bux apiece!!! oh wait you get 7 bottles so you get 140 seconds of burst for only 125 bux!! what a deal! if you could set it up to hold 2 of them lil bottles at a time might make it work for a longer time too.

a bigger motor costs less than that and lasts much longer

john

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 2:36:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		We have a dual bottle setup, also your not going to have to spend $125 every time you want more nitrous. You can buy just bottles for around $1.50 as time goes on that price should come down considerably. Also 7 bottles would be more like 210 seconds worth of nitrous. We have found when the nitrous system is tuned properly we get about 30 seconds out of each bottle.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 2:45:59 AM   
blue62



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Status: offline 		i thought u said 20 secs on an earilier post, it doesn't matter for the money it costs i don't think it will fly. most people will take that 125 and spend it on a bigger engine or a trick pipe or gears or.......you get the idea. not a bad idea i just think you are tryin to get too much money for it. i mean heck its only a lil bottle, a valve and a piece of hose!!! get it down to around 20 bux and you will sell bunches of them!

just my opinion


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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 2:49:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		With the amount of machining that has gone into each peice (We did not do any work on CNC it has all be done manually) that is actually a very reasonable price. Also you can buy a bigger engine and get even more power out of it with the nitrous kit. We will eventually go to a mold injected nitrous kit but right now we are having to do aluminum,

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 4:26:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is where I’m very intrigued and interested in your NOS kits Gear-Head:

My RC hobby is nothing but. A few planes, a coupla heliz, and two stadium trucks, it’s all back yard fun so to speak. However, there is an IEDA (the world fastest) RC drag strip owned by a friend of mine in town. The only reason I haven’t jumped on that band wagon as well, is that there are only two races per year there so I’ve been hesitant about spending the money on an RC drag car. I’ve been talking to Corbett (track owner) about doing bracket racing twice a month if I/we can get enough people in the area interested. Now the NOS on a backyard speedster is a bit ridiculous (but would be cooj) but on a weekend dragster……..ooh-la-la. I’m going to wait a bit for more developments from you guys so keep me posted. I see some inconsistent time slips with your current system but I know you guys are working on it and I’m definitely keeping track of your advances.

Rock on dude.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 7:47:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Funny you should mention drag racing, our test kit has been sent out to a drag racer. He is going to be writing a review along with some dyno results!

FYI, check out our site, it has changed drastically

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 9/9/2003 8:14:59 AM   
maUru


 

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ORIGINAL: GALAXY

Whatever,don't even need to be open flame...if you inhale it,and blow it through a lit cigartte ,you get a white/blue 2'' flame.Seems pretty flammable to me :


im not sure if this post was deleted or just lost when the forums were changed over but ill post it again:

GALAXY: goto www.darwinawards.com they have your award(s) waiting

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/17/2003 8:30:41 PM   
Hipplewm


 

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ORIGINAL: drevil

Maybe i missed something....
HIPPLE, what are you talking about??? Nitrous will NOT burn your skin. Do know what nitrous is? Its laughing gas, the same stuff your dentist uses to "put you to sleep". Its NOT added to gas, its a gas that is mixed with the air/fuel mixture in the combustion chamber (actually in the intake) which "adds" more oxygen to the fuel mixture to give you more power.
Again, maybe i missed something you said.



Yeah, you missed it. I was talking about the Analytical grade of hydrogen peroxide. I'm not talking about the stuff at Wal-Mart. I mean from a chemical supply house and IT WILL BURN OFF YOUR SKIN!!!! I have pictures if you would like to see.


On a side note, NOS is stable and non-flammable. They put sulfur in non-medical grade so you can smell it. This does 2 things; 1. If you have a leak in your car, you stop and fix it before you pass out and wreck. 2. It keeps some people from trying to huff it

Pure O2 on the other hand is also not flammable, it is explosive, if triggered in some way. By itself it is pretty harmless.

Nitrous is only banned in some classes. Some classes it is allowed. HYDROGEN PEROXIDE is BANNED by the NHRA. I can get my 5 year old to read my post to you, if you think that would help

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/17/2003 11:24:55 PM   
Billyman



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Status: offline 		Nitrous Oxide does “burn” the skin. Its several hundred degree’s below zero. Direct skin contact is instant frostbite (commonly referred to as a “burn”). Hell, N2O starts to boil at -129 degrees F (yes, that’s minus 129 degrees F.

And there is no difference in medical grade (the stuff the dentist puts you to sleep with) and non-medical grade (the stuff for your car) other than the sulfur added in non-medical grade.

The N2O is the same. Only difference is, medical bottles do not have a siphon tube therefore you only get the actual gas. For automotive (engines), there is a siphon tube that enables you too retrieve nitrous in liquid form.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/17/2003 11:42:02 PM   
DSA.308



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Status: offline 		Yes, I do have a name other than the "JAGGAS"........How about the "all talk, never going to happen product!"

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/18/2003 12:16:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well considering it has already happened, in fact RC Driver and RC Car Action Magazine both have a kit for review I would say JAGGAS is a much better name.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/18/2003 1:39:22 AM   
DSA.308



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Status: offline 		I cant wait to read the review.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 11/20/2003 9:54:40 PM   
GALAXY



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Status: offline 		So....where's it at? Whats taking so long?

Mauru...if you knew what you were talkin about you'd know that to recieve a Darwin award you have to either kill yourself or disable your ability to reproduce...we sure don't need another one of you.You think I would just try that without seeing it safely done first?Whatever...go run your RTR.

JAGGAS = JACKASS.....sound similar?

Gear-Head...you sent the "drag racer" a kit over 2 months ago,wheres his review and Dyno results? I'm not dissin the idea at all and I'm actually trying to make a system myself,but maybe you should learn to keep quiet until its actually ready.I understand theres a need to generate hype but if you string people along long enough,they lose interest.You say you didn't CNC any of it and it was all done by hand,is that because you don't have a CNC and you're doing it in a garage and after you sell a few kits you hope to be able to make enough to have them molded?Whats the deal man?I gotta go with Todd on this.

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RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/29/2004 3:55:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		first of all.... Nitrous Oxide is a way of getting more oxygen in an engine, thats all it does. It has the same effect as run