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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/30/2004 7:15:04 PM   
RobH



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Status: offline 		here is a list of the videos:

http://www.jagrc.com/video.html

You can't tell that he's using the Nitrous unless you watch the videos where you can see the white Nitrous servo arm move. In one video he's holding the TX in front of the camera as he hits the third channel.

This is the one right here:

http://www.jagrc.com/test1.mpg

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/30/2004 8:06:20 PM   
ko



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Status: offline 		i could notice when he was using it but like i said he had richened the fuel mix to compensate for the nitrous leaning the engine...

notice my first theory...

what are you trying to tell me?

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/30/2004 10:50:29 PM   
The Boss



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Status: offline 		Hi Gearhead, I honestly think you are full of poop with what you are trying to pass off. I have many and have been using NOS system kits for many years on my fullsize cars, truck, bikes and I have hurt my share of engines using these systems.

Your "dry system" is NOT even concidered a real nitrous system to most of use fullsize users of nitrous, it is a WANNABE nitrous kit just like the NOS sneaky pete system wich has/offers very LIMITED power gains on a 4 stroke engine.

I feel the way you are "dry" spraying nitrous into these !!!2stroke!!! r/c engines is BAD!!! for them. I feel your tests and chart are more confusing to people than they are truthfull.

I feel all your tests show is the 2stroke nitro engine is leaning it's self out extremely because it is a "dry" system and on a 2 stroke engine where it's fuel is also it's lube, this can be a very BAD!!! thing.

I feel this system is just for the guys...kids that don't know anything about nitrous lol that want to be able to say... my r/c has NOS lol.

Nitrous can work on some 2 strokes engines but the system should be a "wet" system. NOS makes 2 stroke nitrous kits and they are ALL!!! wet systems with precise mixing and regulating of nitrous to fuel.

Wip cream bottles and water tap type on/off valve to me is a joke.

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/31/2004 12:26:51 AM   
Billyman



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Status: offline 		ko, no offence really.

But stop, please stop. You really are making quite an ass of yourself. Your theories have already been disproved several times over.

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/31/2004 3:09:34 AM   
ko



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Status: offline 		how do you figure... not once have they been disproved

buy the way if you look at the first post i made i said " i dont mean to be an ass " so i already know i am one

gator8 proved my point perfectly so i'm still waiting for someone to prove my theory wrong and the videos proved my theory was right...

dont be upset at me just because i'm right... be upset at yourself for being wrong

nuff said

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/31/2004 3:18:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		So what is a boost bottle?

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/31/2004 3:33:44 AM   
Billyman



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Status: offline 		ko, in short, to keep from getting all technical and stuff, some of which you state is fact (which I like) but some of which you state (as you clearly state as “theory”) is good thinking but a little off base.

The true reasoning behind my argument is the fact that I deal with nitrous oxide on a daily basis for one (though it isn’t on 2 stroke RC) and the fact that although not marketed yet, there are folks (one in particular comes to mind) that has already developed an inexpensive, working, proven NOS system for RC 2 stroke engines thus disproving some to most of your theories.

Before you start showing your ass and slinging “I’m right, you’re wrong” around. Get to experimenting yourself. You’ll find you’ll quickly disprove your own self and wind up making yourself look like an ass saving the rest of us the trouble.

Preach what you know, not what you think. Otherwise, shut the “f” up.

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/31/2004 3:34:03 AM   
ko



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Status: offline 		a boost bottle is used to store a small amount of vacuum for fuel... it gives no performance gains it just adds a sustain to your deacceleration

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/31/2004 3:38:20 AM   
ko



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Status: offline 		like i said bro... "nuff said"

in short means "i'm done with you... please drive to the next window"

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/31/2004 3:41:52 AM   
Billyman



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"I don't really don't know what I'm talking about and have no real argument and I'm sorry I'm alive".

Does that about sum it up?

What else you got?

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/31/2004 3:47:59 AM   
ko



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Status: offline 		heh why are you upset...i'm not arguing...

this is the internet not the street... stop getting mad and acting like a little child calling people names

i proved my point and that was that... nuff said

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/31/2004 4:01:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Billyman

ko, in short, to keep from getting all technical and stuff, some of which you state is fact (which I like) but some of which you state (as you clearly state as “theory”) is good thinking but a little off base.

The true reasoning behind my argument is the fact that I deal with nitrous oxide on a daily basis for one (though it isn’t on 2 stroke RC) and the fact that although not marketed yet, there are folks (one in particular comes to mind) that has already developed an inexpensive, working, proven NOS system for RC 2 stroke engines thus disproving some to most of your theories.

Before you start showing your ass and slinging “I’m right, you’re wrong” around. Get to experimenting yourself. You’ll find you’ll quickly disprove your own self and wind up making yourself look like an ass saving the rest of us the trouble.

Preach what you know, not what you think. Otherwise, shut the “f” up.


Hi, you got me interested, quote;"fact that I deal with nitrous oxide on a daily basis" end quote. What type of nitrous do you deal with? and who/what company do you know of that has a "on the market proven" nitro 2 stroke nitrous system on the market?

Most of all, I would like to know if you have/own or ever used a nitrous kit/system on ANY kind of fullsize vehicle 2 stroke or 4 stroke for any length of time?

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/31/2004 4:16:15 AM   
Billyman



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Status: offline 		I am a performance auto technician by trade.

Nitrous systems, superchargers, turbos, aftermarket everything, engine builder, power add on specialist. I get paid weekly to make your car go faster and your fast car go faster still. From the simplicities of mechanical this and that to the computerized world of today.

Although I have no, none, zip, zilch….hands on experience with 2 stroke NOS systems, I do have a buddy, who IS a member here on RCU, that has a kick a$$ system (which he developed) that he has proven already. I cannot disclose any information without his consent and I’m leaving his findings for him to announce. He does plan on marketing it in the future is all I can say.

As for 4 stroke applications………….I’ve been dealing with NOS for nearly a decade.

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RE: RE: Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help - 1/31/2004 4:57:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Billyman

I am a performance auto technician by trade.

Nitrous systems, superchargers, turbos, aftermarket everything, engine builder, power add on specialist. I get paid weekly to make your car go faster and your fast car go faster still. From the simplicities of mechanical this and that to the computerized world of today.

Although I have no, none, zip, zilch….hands on experience with 2 stroke NOS systems, I do have a buddy, who IS a member here on RCU, that has a kick a$$ system (which he developed) that he has proven already. I cannot disclose any information without his consent and I’m leaving his findings for him to announce. He does plan on marketing it in the future is all I can say.

As for 4 stroke applications………….I’ve been dealing with NOS for nearly a decade.


Hi, I have also been in the fullsize performance industry for 20+ years and into nitro r/c for 10+. I am interested to know what NOS system you have? and I would very much like to see a pic of you freinds nitrous system for a 2 stroke nitro engine, could you please put me in contact with him?. Since you have also been using NOS brand kits like me I am sure you have questions and concerns as I do about this "jag" kit.

I have thought about using nitrous on these R/C (glow) engines before, I do know it works on other 2 stroke engines, there are kits from NOS for them. Every kit NOS sells for two stroke engines has/comes with (2-two) solenoids (nitrous and gas).

My questions, They say the engine will get extra fuel from the pipe pressure. I have tryed to run more pressure in my 8scale fuel tanks before and when I do I have problems with sealing at the refill cap (I have fuel and pressure coming out through the cap). Also with a pre set high speed needle how are you going to get more? fuel flow, thats what needles are for (regulating fuel flow).

The other thing is you can only put so much pressure through the stock brass fittings. There is a saying, (drink all you want... just do it though a small/thin straw), you can only get so much flow and thats it.

Glow plugs, I have a concren about eating glow plugs, if there crude system leans out the engine to (ANY) degree, this is not good for the glow plugs let alone the engine. We all know when you put nitrous though any combustion engine it causes alot more stress on the componets and can dramaticly shorten the engines life if not properly set up/regulated. I will not risk it on my $200.00 to $400.00 engines.

My point is I feel what these guys have is crude and NOT! safe to use on these small engines (I could see alot of guys killing/breaking/hurting there small nitro engines with with this kit. Is it worth the risk to grenade or hurt your engine so you can say and use a so called R/C nitrous kit once?. What these guys have done I could have tryed 10 years ago, I just think there is more too it then what they have there. I have had ideas for a simular thing for a while that I could make here localy, but not like theres.



These are the systems I have on my stuff. I currently have the "PRO" system on a blown 671 351c, a dual plate cheater on tunnel ram 351c, 2 single plate cheater systems on two other 351c engines and a "fogger" port injected system on my HD

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/NOS/NOSNS/Cheater.html

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/NOS/NOSNS/DblCross.ht