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Gear-Head -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/12/2003 12:07:19 AM)
Ok guys what do you think, in preperation of the release of our nitrous oxide injection kit we needed a name. We have come up with JAGGAS™, or possibly JAG-GAS™ what do you guys think? If you don't know about it you can get more info at [url]www.jagrc.com[/url]

darkroland -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/13/2003 12:48:53 AM)
Holy crap, nitrous for RC? Is that even controllable under that much power?? Sounds like a sweet idea, I'll check it out. Have you mostly installed it in on-road cars or what?

Homebrewer -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/13/2003 3:01:58 AM)
Nitrous Oxide? WHY BOTHER? Nitromethane in a liquid form offers virtually the same advantages of increased power and has some of the same limitations as nitro-compression ratio limitations, engine timing/porting, etc.... Here is what I don't understand. Nitrous in full scale auto applications is only applied in limited bursts at full throttle. Fuel injected engines compensate with increased fuel delivery (usually higher flow fuel injectors are required with nitro in a car to prevent destructive detonation from a lean mixture when the "switch is flipped' and nitro is introduced to the intake system. The only way I see to tune a RC car carb high end is with the nitrous being introduced. If not, than the addition of nitrous will cause a too lean mixture and its associated problems. Once the nitro runs out or before nitro is introduced, your engine's top end will be significantly off peak performance due to being overrich. A more practical way to get power at a lower cost is to displacement. If I wanted even a little more power, I'd add an extra head shim and extra nitromethane in my fuel mix--all for a lot less money and better reliability and performance. From an engineering point of view, the NOX is interesting and I applaud you for experimenting.

theclinch -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/14/2003 3:16:45 AM)
why bother?? i agree with that mechanic guy plus i downloaded that vidoe of it it just looks like a t-maxx runnin down a street. and how would you have a bottle of no2 that would last without adding to much weight that stuff isnt that cheap dont cha know

Gear-Head -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/14/2003 4:08:45 AM)
So you can incease power by adding more nitro % to your fuel, but you will also run hotter, with nitrous we are finding our temps are dropping by 20 degrees or so. Also our kit does not weigh much, and we are able to get about 20 seconds out of one fill. The nitrous actually is pretty inexpensive.

426racer -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/14/2003 8:33:04 AM)
with a bottle of no2 on ur car what would happen if u flip it and u puncture the bottle wouldnt u be saying bye bye to ur toy? i dunno maybe im wrong

eddiedeverell -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/14/2003 10:00:08 AM)
I guarntee you it will decrease the life of your engine, just like the real thing. Unless you beef your real cars engine up your gonna break something.

eddiedeverell -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/14/2003 10:02:24 AM)
No replacement for displacement

Bonefrost -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/15/2003 9:34:30 AM)
Still sounds pretty cool.

Gear-Head -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/16/2003 12:59:38 AM)
So first off our bottles have gaurds on them to prevent damage to the bottle, in the event your bottle should get damaged nitrous is not exposive contrary to popular beleif. If the bottle were to get punctured it would just vent and be done. Second nitrous oxide does in fact take some of the life from your engine, I won't even try to hide that fact. Anything you do to your engine will shorten engine life, including running higher nitro content, or even porting and polishing your engine. I will say however I ran an M16 for almost a year and abused it and ran it hard on nitrous. It finally flipped in some mud and the air cleaner popped off, but up until that point (Which was ruffly 4-5 gallons) it had great compression!

ProCarbine2k1 -> hey (2/16/2003 3:04:30 AM)
sounds kinda un-needed/ nuts, but you know what? the market wouldnt think that. anytime nitrous is metioned, people are all hyped and wowed over it. if people really knew what it was then it might be different, but it looks kool to all the usual movie-watchers, it would guaranteed be a seller. i bet you could make millions off of something like that..... ill give you credit though, it does sound interesting.....

BUGGIES_R_US -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/16/2003 5:08:53 AM)
Nitrous Oxide is primarily used as a fuel additive because it releases axygen and boosts power. But in this case it is not practical because what we need is torque.. not HP.. not really Also.. the calorific value between gasoline and Nos is VERY large! But here its like mixing 2 different kinds of gasoline.. its a LOT of trouble for nothing! cool? YES! Bang for Buck? NOPE! my humble opinion anyway! -ram

ProCarbine2k1 -> hey (2/16/2003 5:18:40 AM)
nitrous is not an additive, if it was an additive we could simply pour it in the gas tank, or the valve would be in the tank, to mix with fuel... it is a system of its own, easiest way to say is that it is a pressurized tank that forces oxygen molecules into the mixture of gas at the intake, where it is almost a mix, i still dont fully uderstand it.... but it is a force fed system,obviously this means nitrous isnt flammable, just pressurized oxy.......

BUGGIES_R_US -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/16/2003 6:25:21 AM)
EXACTLY! Your perfectly correct. Nitrous is a catalyst but its NOT fuel by itself. Thats why I dont think its practical do do this. Well it is an additive because if you could.. you would pour it into your gas tank.. but cannot because it is a gas. So you have to inject it separately. The system is complex because you have to ensure uniform distribution of the gas to each cylinder or you will get disastrous results eventually leading to a failed engine. -ram

theclinch -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/17/2003 8:25:43 PM)
you say you get twenty seconds of run time?? and how much are the bottles? im still sceptic and i dont think it will work just my opinion

Hipplewm -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/21/2003 2:09:34 AM)
NOS is a gas at STP. What you want is Analytical grade Hydrogen Peroxide. the 2% stuff in stores isn't worth your time but the good stuff is 28% This is H2O2 and is liquid. This stuff is STRICTLY BANNED in NHRA. Racers in the 60's and 70's added it to Nitromethane because it was undetectable when added but worked like NOS in gasoline. I have played with it a little and about 10-12ml per 125CC is about right. provides a 20% increase in speed and acceleration but temps were well above 325F and normally were 240F. You have to go to a chemical supply house to get it and I'm certain you cannot be a minor. BTW this stuff is VERY VERY VERY VERY caustic. It will burn your FLESH!!!!! Use chemical gloves when handling.

BUGGIES_R_US -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/21/2003 11:45:08 AM)
I was not aware of that! Hydrogen peroxide?! heh I see a potential problem.. H2O2.. breaks down.. give out an O and what do we have? WATER!!! So after combustion were gonna have water vapor in our exhaust! This cannot be good with a 2 stroker! -ram

i8tweety -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/21/2003 4:32:06 PM)
Buggies_R_Us You're forgetting that the "good" hydrogen peroxide is 72% water to start with. The extra you get from the burning reaction is virtually negligable by comparison. There's an advantage to the water though, it pulls heat from the engine as it passes through.

Gear-Head -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/21/2003 10:16:22 PM)
So what we are finding with our injection testing is that because nitrogen is endothermic (It absorbs heat) when we are injecting nitrous we are actually dropping temps around 15-20 degrees!

Hipplewm -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/22/2003 6:54:03 AM)
A couple of other things. Nitromethane is incredibly hydroscopic (Absorbs water from the air) I mix my own and you would be amazed how fast it picks up water. The H2O2 is absorbs readily which keeps the extra O's from dissapating, the other thing is you now have a roughly 10-15% more O2 than before plus the little bit of H20 to "slow" down the rxn (Kinda like high octane at the pump) The water removes a little heat but not as much as the O generates. As stated earlier, afterrun oil is a must, but not necessarily due to the H2O2...remember the hydroscopic thing. If you leave a little nitro in your car it will absorb moisture and corrode it even quicker. William

Duane-RCU -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/22/2003 9:34:47 AM)
Hey Hipp, you sure you are not thinking of hydrazine, or something like that? I remember they use to add something like that to the fuels back then, but it was very wicked stuff. They did have hydrogen-peroxide rocket cars, those were outlawed due to you could not shut them off during a run if you were in trouble. I have had nitrous on several of my cars, including my everyday driver 6 cylinder Maverick, my Mustang (avatar) has 225 hp system, engine is 10years old, over 4,000 passes, and was even street driven for five years, never even popped a head gasket. Axles, 3rd members, gears, broke several of those! I am a nitrous freak, and the stuff is perfectly safe, used sensibly of course!

BUGGIES_R_US -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/22/2003 11:21:44 AM)
The term "Roman Candle" Comes to mind! Like you said I agree.. That stuff shouldnt be legal! Sure it may be fun.. but its pretty much an uncontrolled constant explosion over time! Who knows what can happen! What I really want to try tho.. is take 2 of the 25lb Rc airplane engines.. and strap them on to a gocart. Think about that.. a Gocart doing 60Mph.. Wheezin by like a Jet! HAHA -ram

MeneR -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/22/2003 11:43:27 AM)
y ai would also like to know how much it would cost to have the 20 seconds of nitrous? and where do you refill?

theclinch -> Nitrous Oxide Injection: Name help (2/22/2003 9:55:10 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MeneR y ai would also like to know how much it would cost to have the 20 seconds of nitrous? and where do you refill? [/QUOTE] this is a good point and why would you really want nitrous? its a bit of a safety hazard we dun know if it works and why not get a better engine or tuned pipe?? all im saying is that there is plenty of other ways to go fast

ProCarbine2k1 -> hey (2/23/2003 2:29:09 AM)
clinch... that was perfectly said... you couldnt be any more riight on than that

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