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surfcurls -> RE: RC Surfer (5/17/2009 11:13 AM)

One Thing For Sure, It Will Be Better Than A Kyosho In One Way. Parts Are Still Available For NQD
Kyosho Parts Are Getting hard to find, as I Am A Kyosho & NQD Dealer For ****.

For Example, The Kyosho Bi Fin and Motor Mount Are Out Of Production.

Surfcurls.com Still Has Some Parts, But Once They're Gone, They're Gone.




jocktime -> RE: RC Surfer (5/26/2009 6:12 AM)

Don't forget to fiber glass a few strips of lead to the keal.





LONGBOARDT3 -> RE: RC Surfer (5/26/2009 5:17 PM)

Good morning from Spain.
I see that you practice a lot with rc surfer.me like information on where to buy rc surfer on the web. since it is a pleasure to greet the other side of the Atlantic.
thank for all




TechyJoe -> RE: RC Surfer (5/26/2009 10:43 PM)

Hi mr. miyagi

I too have recently purchased an NQD Surfer Lisa and am also looking to hop this thing up.  Right out of the box, she doesn't work very well.  So maybe we can share some info here and hopefully others will join in and help us out.

I am planning to upgrade to a Brushless motor and to upgrade the radio as well.  Sorry, I can't answer your question about the Spectrum Radio you want to use. I am planning to use a standard 27Mhz AM car radio. However, I am looking to purchase a 4000kv 540 size brushless motor and a speed controller to match (today).  I am looking at the EZ-Run 8.5T/4000kv and an 11.1v Lipo battery pack.  This should give Lisa really good RPM.  I have read that the stock propeller should work ok but that you need to cut off the existing plastic motor to shaft coupler and replace it with a Graupner 3346 coupler.  I have also read that some lead should be added to the bilge so Lisa rights herself better and that you should fill the Lisa body with plumbers foam.   Please keep me posted on your findings and I shall do the same. 

The summer is here so I would like to get my Surfer going within the next two weeks.





Simulcaster -> RE: RC Surfer (5/27/2009 4:41 PM)

Finally this thread is coming back to life! I have ben bouncing between a Lisa and a Board Shark. Lisa is my full project and has not hit the water yet. I have been using the Shark to test electrics. There is alot of great advice on here so make sure you read all the pages. I used babelfish to translate some of the external sites which helped alot and Pablo answers email! My advice. Go brushless from the beginning. Make sure you choose a setup that allows the best cooling jacket you can find. It gets so hot i have had the solder break loose, the motor mount plastic start to melt. This was with the board shark and only one intake/outflow. Lisa should work better with 2 i/o's

I have run a orion 19t and a speed gems 17. the 17 I only ran for a few minutes it was fast but warmed up pretty quick. The 19 is the sweet spot but cooling it down inside the closed compartment is an issue. I am going brushless as soon as i figure out what to get.
The EZRuns are nice but after shipping they are not much cheaper than the other systems out there.

I have also added a futaba 3pm 2.4. the distance is so much better you can catch the outside sets without worrying about paddling out to get it.




Simulcaster -> RE: RC Surfer (5/27/2009 6:21 PM)

Jock which esc/motor combo is that? looks like a feagio with the purple housing.




TechyJoe -> RE: RC Surfer (5/27/2009 10:36 PM)

Hi All

I took my Lisa Surfer apart last night to begin my hop-up.  Here is what I found and did: First, it appears that the new Lisa Surfer has a plastic steering fin.  It sounded to me like in the past, this fin was metal?. 

It also has a plastic box which held the original electrics (not sure if the older ones had this or not). I will continue to use this box to hold the new electrics. Also, I  painted all of my metal screws with clear rust proof acrylic paint and  coated the seals and the screws with a thin layer of Vaseline (this should help the seal be more air tight and keep the water off). 

Next, I found Lisa's head to be loose so I needed to glue this in place.  I am now in the process of replacing the servo with a stock full size servo from a 27Mhz car radio and receiver.  In order to install the new servo, I needed to cut off the thin plastic ridge servo holder where the front of the original servo sat because my new servo's servo arm was hitting this ridge.  I then inserted the new servo and glued it in place with 5 minute epoxy and replaced the plastic retaining bar back over this with the original screws.

Now on to the motor: The stock motor has a male hex coupler on the motor shaft end which then fits into a female hex adapter on the propeller shaft end.  I intend to replace this motor with a 540 size brushless and an 18-25 amp ESC. This morning I did some Googling and found some hex adapters which may work (in place of the Graupner 3346 mentioned in a previous thread).  Please, would someone look at these and see if they may work as a replacement.  I'll try to attach some pictures of my progress once I figure out how to do this.

Here is the link for the motor coupler.

http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/products.php?cat=68





jocktime -> RE: RC Surfer (5/28/2009 8:02 AM)


Aloha  Simulcaster,
Feigao 540 S  Brushless Motor
X-Power Brushless 100a Esc Computer programable
I use the extra power for big waves, the lead on the keel adds more weight,
but  the speed of the motor and extra keel weight gives you the power 
to crash through the white water in big surf in Hawaii.
Also, you must extend the fin at least 3 qtrs inch for more control at high speeds.
My videos are at  http://www.youtube.com/user/MauiRCsurfer 
I have modified Lisa's and board Sharks and I say Board Shark hands down
Unless, you build completly from scrach like in some of my videos.
These are my two big wave boards. Jock




LONGBOARDT3 -> RE: RC Surfer (5/28/2009 11:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LONGBOARDT3

Good morning from Spain.
I see that you practice a lot with rc surfer.me like information on where to buy rc surfer on the web. since it is a pleasure to greet the other side of the Atlantic.
thank for all


 
can anyone help me?
If you do not find to buy I was wondering if anyone has done at home ... someone has drawings or sketches for the table?
photos and measurements of the table?
any help would be very good
greetings from Spain





TechyJoe -> RE: RC Surfer (5/28/2009 6:34 PM)

More mods:

Ok, the On/Off switch:  This is a very, very poor design! On my one and only outing with the stock Lisa surfer, the third wave, which knocked her over, also switched off the power switch.  This switch is a push button toggle (the worst possible design selection) and the wave pushed the switch to the off position.  Luckily I was in shallow water and did not need to go swimming in 55 degree water to get it.  So, I am going to bypass this switch all together in my modified version.

Motor Cooling Tubes:  next, I noticed that the water cooling tubes for the water intake and output ports are stretched to tight to the horizontal of the board which is pinching the tubes closed and I would presume impede cooling to the motor.  This is analogues to taking your garden hose and bending it - no water flow.  So, I wrapped the bottom portion of the tubes closest to the intake and output port holes with some electrical tape to give then more support so that they do not bend.  I also moved the hose clamps closer to the intake and output ports so that the tubes now have a more arched appearance.

Stay tuned for more later.





TechyJoe -> RE: RC Surfer (5/28/2009 6:35 PM)

Some pictures of the motor coupling, the stripped board and the cooling tube mods.




TechyJoe -> RE: RC Surfer (5/28/2009 6:51 PM)

jocktime

Do you think the weight can be added inside the board hull under the motor and not on the outside, underneath of the board? I am experimenting with this. 





vespageoff -> RE: RC Surfer (5/28/2009 11:37 PM)

hi all, just bought nqd rc surfer i have a problem with the rudder to much slop any help welcome . this is the standard




TechyJoe -> RE: RC Surfer (5/28/2009 11:51 PM)

vespageoff

Try replacing all of the radio equipment with real RC grade proportional equipment. The stock equipment is very poor grade.





jocktime -> RE: RC Surfer (5/29/2009 7:30 AM)

TechyJoe,
     I have tried many times with the Lisa and board sharks to put lead inside,
I figured that was the easy way out but it's not. First, their is not enough room
to get the right weight. Secondly, you don't get proper displacement and balance.
    If you really want to have fun with these Surfers you need the speed and 
power of a brushless motor and the weight and balance from the keel to not
get pushed around in the surf. If you can get out past the breakers quickly by
out running them and you can out run close out sets you save battery witch
means more runtime. To me thats what it all about
more runtime more fun.......Jocktime




LONGBOARDT3 -> RE: RC Surfer (5/29/2009 11:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LONGBOARDT3


quote:

ORIGINAL: LONGBOARDT3

Good morning from Spain.
I see that you practice a lot with rc surfer.me like information on where to buy rc surfer on the web. since it is a pleasure to greet the other side of the Atlantic.
thank for all


 

If you do not find to buy I was wondering if anyone has done at home ... someone has drawings or sketches for the table?
photos and measurements of the table?
any help would be very good
greetings from Spain




can anyone help me?




TechyJoe -> RE: RC Surfer (5/29/2009 8:01 PM)

LONGBOARDT3
If you are looking to purchase an RC surfer, this is where I purchased mine. US $39.99 
http://www.1wholesaler.com/wholesale-Products/Default.aspx?ProductID=74




vespageoff -> RE: RC Surfer (5/29/2009 8:06 PM)

hi all   just getting into rc surfing , can anyone advise me of any support for these in the uk . ie replacement parts   need  a better rudder  and

would like to change the figure . love this site. keep posting inf for us brits





TechyJoe -> RE: RC Surfer (5/29/2009 8:09 PM)

jocktime

thanks for the information.  I have two questions for you still:
1) How much weight should I add?  I will be surfing in NJ - waves are approx. 3 feet on average
2) Where did you get the cool surf "dude"?  I'm not sure I like the Lisa figure.

Thanks




LONGBOARDT3 -> RE: RC Surfer (5/30/2009 12:35 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TechyJoe

LONGBOARDT3
If you are looking to purchase an RC surfer, this is where I purchased mine. US $39.99 
http://www.1wholesaler.com/wholesale-Products/Default.aspx?ProductID=74


thanks thanks thanks friend TechyJoe
tonight I won a smooth rc surfer at a good price .... occasionally pass through the forum for help as a good rookie.
a greeting from Spain and thanks again

pd: forgiveness for my writing but I use a translator




TechyJoe -> RE: RC Surfer (6/2/2009 3:57 AM)

OK SURFN EXPERTS

I have been reading a lot of the posts on this thread and I need to know WHAT THE DEAL IS with the ESCs.  I see many posts where builders are using huge 60-100amp ESCs. 

I mostly fly planes which swing a 10x6 inch prop using brushless and never come close to 60 or 100amps.  Now this is my first boat so maybe I know nothing or am missing something here. But I know the prop is small and should draw little current (at least out of water). 

So, to test, I connected my new EZ-Run 540 brushless to my 18amp ESC and then connected this to an amp meter and measured the current.  To represent a load on the motor (prop in water)  I wore a glove and placed pressure on the motor shaft with my finger to the extent of almost stopping the motor at full throttle and never broke 5 amps. 

So, why the large large ESCs??????????? 





jocktime -> RE: RC Surfer (6/2/2009 7:45 AM)

On my two Board Sharks
I run a 40 amp waterproof and water cooled ESC with a 2900kv brushless on one,
and 100 amp waterproof and water cooled ESC with a 3600kv brushless on the other.
The 40 amp is run on 7 cell 4600mAh battery.
The 100 amp is run on 7 cell 5000mAh battery.
Reason, I run large 7 cell batteries for long run times.
But, I have had trouble with small amp ESC's over heating
with these batteries. Through experimentation the 40 amp is fine
and the 100 a bit over kill. Once you get yours built and running
well, the next thing you'll want is run time. Staying out 45 minutes
instead of 15 minutes is huge in the fun part.
(Photos of our prototypes Yellow Mon and Stretch totally
hand made from scratch many hours of shaping) jocktime




LONGBOARDT3 -> RE: RC Surfer (6/2/2009 4:15 PM)

jocktime......Potos and have the construction process?

when one familiar with the subject at home .. I make a longboard surfer rc
thankyou




toyguy -> RE: RC Surfer (6/7/2009 2:06 PM)

I also would like to go brushless with my surfer lisa.  I would like to go with an aquacraft motor and speed control from an sv 27.  But I thought you had to use more then the 7 cell nimh packs to power these brushless setups.  Am I wrong on this-can I go with just 7 cells?




TechyJoe -> RE: RC Surfer (6/9/2009 8:06 PM)

toyguy
You will probably need to go to 11.1v 3 cell Lipo packs.  I just completed my brushless installation and tried to run it with the 6 cell Nicad that came with it and it just can't turn the motor.  My guess is if you go with a sensored brushless motor as apposed to a sensor less brushless motor, a 6-7 cell nicad may work.




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