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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 4/25/2008 7:41 AM   
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Yes it was lean on low end, I gave it about one hour richen and the lowered the idle and all is good. thanks for the replys.

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 4/25/2008 11:07 AM   
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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/17/2008 9:26 PM   
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Hi, I wonder if this is a really silly question? But I really have this question in my mind.

Once we are done breaking in th engine, is it fine to give full throttles right away or should we hold back? Also should the engine be shut off and let it cool completely and start running the engine normally with full throttles after a few hours or mabe the next day?

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/17/2008 9:36 PM   
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Good question. Answers to this may vary. IMO, I would run the car the way everyone else wants to run it. A typical engine would last about 20G or so, if you were careful and took good care of the engine, you could easilly outlast 20G. But then again, by the 20th tank, you might as well get a new one because of ware and tear......

So to enjoy it the most, drive it the way you want it. My Inferno appears to be on crack right now because I ran it 100% right after break in, and no, I wasnt letting off the throttle either. The performance on the engine got better, fast response, good high rpm, good top speeds.....

It also becomes easier to tune after you drive it like you stole it, the needle settings will become more tolerant. Once you thought it cant run with this setting, you will find that it now does.


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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/18/2008 3:39 AM   
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i would use something other than blue thunder, fuels with high/higher amounts of castor oil are a bit more forgiving at tuning, vapor lock can be caused by an engine that is running lean, inadeqaute airflow, or both, you can use blue thunder if you want, i would get some castor oil and add it to the fuel, not a big deal, and they run much cooler, when i made my own fuel for the first time, i used 10% straight castor oil and my engine had to be leaned over a full turn to run right, then it was flying and running cool



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What fuels are high in castor, I use trinity monster HP 20%. Can you do a post on how to make your own fuel? Oh and excellent thread it was really insightful. Don't worry if people didn't give you grief about your how to guide it wouldn't be good guide.


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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/18/2008 7:05 AM   
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vladconnery, I don't know how much experience you have with nitro rc, but I really wouldn't recommend trying to make your own fuel. The resources are out there but they are difficult to track down. You would have to buy the ingredients in bulk its a real pain in the neck. Before you know it your gonna be wishing you would of just paid the 30 bucks for the gallon instead paying around $1000 for the 42 gallon barrel of nitro sitting in your garage.

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/18/2008 2:10 PM   
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Thanks,

Thats good to know I'll move on from trying to make it. Which brands are high in castor content I also notice people add castor to there mix. Is this a good idea considering fuel may already have lets say 14% oil. If you add more you are raising the oil content are you not? I started out using traxxas 20% it was the worse switched to trinity MH 20% noticed a difference for sure. However trinity nor most of the fuels I look at say what type of oil it contains. Looking for a fuel with more castor content atleast half and half would be nice. If you know a site that breakdowns the different nitro brands by quality and content could you link it for me?



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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/22/2008 10:33 AM   
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Troubleshooting help please.

My MGT 3.0 has been broken in. My needle setting according to the manual is 2 and half turns. I run it 1/4th turn richer. But sometimes the enigne flames out. When I have run it and the engine is warmed up it runs fine. I must mention it that i start the engine with 1/8 turn richer when starting from cold and let it warm up and then get back to my original settin i.e 2 and 1/2 turn+ 1/4th turn out.

If i am running pretty rich why is the engine flaming out. The egine just cuts out when i come to a standstill. Everything is fine if the truck is in motion. Also after the engine cuts, I have observed that the carburettor is really hot and as soon as I prime the fuel line, the fuel just evaporates with the heat. I then have to let it cool down before restarting it. I am just using 10% nitro with oure raw castor oil as lubricant.

Shall I reduce the needle setting or increase it? the engine has gone through 15 tanks of fuel.

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/22/2008 11:22 PM   
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Could be that fact that it is a lean mixture, what is your ambiant temp? do you know the temp on the head sinks? Check your glow plug to see if any black stufff develops.

If all the above is correct. Then i must say that your idle rpm may be too low, or your low end is too rich. And that your high end may be too lean as well.


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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/23/2008 1:02 AM   
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Hi i've got a Kyosho FW-05T+ with stock GXR-15 engine.i have two proplems:
1.while the engine is idling the wheels are moving.how can i fix it?which screw must i tune ? clockwise or counter-clockwise?
2.i use novarossi 5# glow plug cold .the weather here in Greece is too warm.i run the engine for 3-4 minutes normally and then it shuts down.must i make the HSN richer?
i am waiting for your help.

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/23/2008 1:14 AM   
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With a warm weather, normally you wont need more fuel because oxygen density is lower in warm air. So if it is still shutting down, there could be a few possible causes.

Is your high end rich enough? If its too lean, the engine will shut off when you accelerate from idle. The problem with wheel spining could be either a loose clutch spring or your idle rpm is too high. Have your Kyosho Inferno sit off the ground with wheel free spining. Then adjust the idle screw counterclockwise untill engine shuts off. Sop turning when engines shuts off, and turn back clockwise half as much as you did with this adjustment. You may have to lean the Low speed needle as well since you are using low idle rpms. This will make your low end rich, so lean it a little like 1/16 or 1/th of a turn clockwise.

FOr a needle setting diag. See below.

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/23/2008 1:55 AM   
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thanks for your reply. No my HSN isn't too lean.my car doesn't shut when accelerate.it shuts in a random time.
ps my car haven't got LSN .

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/23/2008 2:02 AM   
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are you running too hot? Try either leaning or richining the HSN and see how it does. one of them will work. Do a high speed run, and then brake and idle, listen to how the engine sounds. You will need more tanks before the engine is properly optimized. I've had the same problem with my GXR28. Just give it some time.


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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/23/2008 2:11 AM   
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yes i run hot.the cylinder head becomes purple from blue after 2-3 minutes

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/24/2008 12:03 AM   
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i tried today to tune the idle screw but i didn't succeed. when the wheels stopped spinning the engine shut down and because of that i forced to make as before. what is wrong?

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/24/2008 12:43 AM   
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Have you taken a look at the clutch yet? If the wheel is still spining at the bottom of idle rpm, then your clutch shoes are too loose. You might have a broken spring. Do you have the stock clutch setup? The stock shoes have a spring coil wraped around the outside, when the shoes wears inward. The spring is exposed, and often worn away making it defective.

Let me know if that was the problem. THe otehr thing about your engine stopping abruptly could be caused from the clutch shoes gripping the clutch bell too hard. So hard that it doesnt provide enough "slip" for the engine to compensate for torque. This would also link into the fact that the clutch springs have been broken, so that could stall your engine too if there was too much load on it.

P.S. I didn't know the GXR-18 comes with only HSN and no Low end needle.


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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/24/2008 12:51 AM   
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i will tell you tomorrow.i don't have GXR-18,i have GXR-15.

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 6/24/2008 3:09 PM   
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finally i succeed.i tune the idle needle well.the wheels stopped spinning while the engine was idling and it didn't shut down.the clutch is ok.thanks for all.

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 7/9/2008 7:37 AM   
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I have a 3.3 motor in my Jato. I just bought it off ebay and he said it had about a gallon ran through it. We tried to tune and we can not get it. It will start ok and run ok but it will not idle. We tried to adjust the idle screw. It either running way to fast and driving by itself or it will run but once you stop it will die within 5 seconds. It seems to run fine otherwise going at high speed and it has plenty of blue smoke coming from the exhaust. The LSN is either set flush or is maybe out a little from flush, the HSN is around 4 turns out.

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 7/13/2008 6:32 AM   
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Just broke in my first engine today thanks to this great guide. After the break in, it ran fine for a while, but now I give the engine gas, and it revs up like it is supposed to, but does not engage the transmission. Does this sound like a clutch problem? I check everything, especially the spring, because I was worried about it when I put it back on, but it still looks the same...

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 9/18/2008 4:53 AM   
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Maybe the flywheel nut is not tight enough???

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 9/18/2008 6:09 AM   
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that would have been my guess too, is the engine by chance running backwards? sometimes i get the backward running start. But corrects itself after I give it a rev. This seems to happen only when I start the engine....

Is the one-way rollers on your large pinion broken? If it is it would spin crazy but the shaft wont turn. Its very hard to break that one-way device, if you did, tell everyone how you managed to do so.......Im courious..


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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 9/20/2008 8:23 AM   
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It could be you slipper clutch is way to loose to

That happened to me once with my Jato, I was running and all of a sudden it started slipping really bad and would barely moved. I thought I burnt up the clutch so I tore is all apart just to find out all I had to do was tighten the slipper clutch

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 9/24/2008 6:27 PM   
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Hello to everyone!

I'v bought my first RC car and i have little problem tuning it up... Yes I have read tuning tutorial and tried to tune it but i have IDLE problems... First of all, i'm using low % nitro because I had running in phase. I'v spend 5 thanks of nitro and now i want to tune it so i could have a little bit more power.

I have leaned a bit HSN (4 x 1/8) and have a little more power when i tried to setup LSN i cant... When I'm warming car i use "auto" throttle so my car stays on. When it warms up i disable auto throttle and than i drive for few minutes and when i stop, my car want to go off. I tried full throttle start and my cars starts good but whent off after i hit brake...

I'm not sure if i should lean LSN because i read that if I lean HSN that the LSN is leaned to.

Please Help, I'm all new in this and I'm afraid that i could damage my engine...

Sorry for my bad English...

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RE: Nitro Guide and FAQs - 9/26/2008 4:31 AM   
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Mine has less info, but may be good for someone new to the hobby to keep in their wallet, pit box etc. A quick reference tuning guide if you will.

Why do we ‘tune’ our engines? How is it done? This guide assumes that you are familiar with all of the parts of your R/C's engine. If you are unsure what a Low Speed Needle (LSN), High Speed Needle (HSN), idle screw etc are, please refer to the manual (RTFM).
Tuning a nitro/methane 2 stroke engine literally means adjusting the air/fuel mixture inside the chamber. This is done by means of adjusting the amount of fuel that is allowed to flow into the carburetor via needles which can be opened and closed. Most of us know that there are a wide variety of factors that affect that air/fuel mixture in the chamber other than just adjusting the needles. Because of this an engine may have to be tuned several times in the same day for optimum performance. Not maintaining an optimum air/fuel ratio can result in poor performance, or even engine failure!

There is a point, in every engine, at which air/fuel mixture will allow the engine to obtain its maximum HP and RPM’s. Tuning your engine to that point can be dangerous, as the mixture is somewhat lacking in the lubricants necessary to give maximum protection to the engine. Therefore, most people will want to run slightly rich (more fuel in the mixture) of that point. This is referred to as the ‘Sweet Spot.’ Some racers will run at pure max potential, but they also don’t usually care if the engine only lasts a gallon… Running at those settings can be very dangerous because being too lean is just a very slight adjustment away.

And running lean is the real engine killer, not temperature. With proper lubrication, the internal components of an R/C engine can easily withstand temperatures of 300F, maybe even more. The thing is, these engines are designed to operate at temperatures around 210 – 270 F. While there is the possibility you will encounter an engine and conditions that dictate the temperature at proper tune is over 300, it will be a rare occurrence. What that boils down to is that there is a good possibility that there is a problem if your engine reaches too high of a temperature. That is why it’s a good idea to monitor the engine temperature, but not use it as a guide for adjusting the air/fuel mixture in the engine.

So, how do you get to that ‘Sweet Spot?’
1) Start out with rich settings. If you are unsure how to go about this, an easy way is to start with stock needle settings. This includes the idle screw - make sure it is set at factory settings, usually a 1 or 2 mm opening for the idle stop. The factories always set engines rich for break ins.
2) next, warm up the engine. Try not to hammer the throttle too much while its still bone cold, but slowly work your way up to a couple WOT runs.
3) Now that the engine is warmed up (1/2 tank is good), do a couple WOT runs of about 50-100ft in front of you and pay attention to the pitch of your engine. The higher the pitch, the more RPM's its doing.
4) Now lean out the HSN by 1 hour increments (30 degrees, 1/12 of a full circle etc) and continue to do some WOT runs in front of you. The engine's max RPM's should continue to go up each and every time you lean out the HSN by those 1 hour changes. If it doesn't, you have reached the top end and need to richen by an hour. Make sure that you do not continue to lean out the HSN after max RPM's have been reached. You will damage the engine.

Congratulations, you just found the sweet spot. Now, if you notice that the car/truck bogs a bit at take off, lean out the LSN (again 1 hr increments) until it will take off at the touch of the trigger.
And you're done. At this point I like to temp the engine to get a baseline reading for the day.

This is a simple and fool proof method of tuning that everyone can do. Regardless of your experience.



Please follow the steps above.
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