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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/23/2007 1:39:23 AM   
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I don't mind helping the guy a little, but I wanted it to be clear to all reading this that had he purchased it from me he would have had the option of sending it to me for checkout. Instead he's flailing around and will in all probability end up throwing it away or turning the engine into SEP (somebody else's problem) and losing a few hundred bucks in the process.

DA charges what they charge for a reason, they have to have people there to support you and that doesn't happen for free. Same for me, there is a finite amount of work that I can do in a day, and I prefer to do that work for my customers.

Oh, incidentally, since I started selling these engines I have been out of stock on them for maybe 6 or 7 days total. I am dubious about this fellow's story that I was out of stock when he called. Out of town, maybe, out of stock, very unlikely.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/23/2007 6:39:50 AM   
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To be very honest, my problem was minor. Not something that prevented me from doing anything with the SU-26. But I have to admit flipping the reed block did make a very dependable engine; run a lot smoother.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/23/2007 11:48:21 AM   
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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/23/2007 10:55:16 PM   
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Like to have you stick around. Perhaps someday you'll want to join the "family". I can understand why someone would want to come to the place that has all the information that can be obtained about a product they already have. Nothing was intended to hurt your feelings, but knowing how things were set up to work helps clear up why some may get a little more help than others, or be shown a little more preference. Hang around, it's usually a pretty good time here.

In the mean time get that plane up in the air and enjoy.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/24/2007 12:50:49 AM   
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certainly makes sense about the wear. Being new at gas I am also confused because some other engines specify the Lawn Boy (or so I'm told) But have no fear I will follow your advise here...This is a great support site, can't wait to get my plane in the air (first gasser)

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/24/2007 2:33:21 AM   
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I'm no expert but I believe they are using Lawn Boy Ashless because it has less lubricating properties. This makes the engine run in (or wear in) quicker. Not a good thing. I use Penzoil Outboard Motor Oil at 40:1 and it's working great. May take a little longer to wear the rings in but I believe the engine will last longer. I could be wrong but that's what I do. Pat has the oil thing down to a science. Ask him.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/24/2007 5:36:26 AM   
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You should never use outboard oil in an air cooled engine. Outboard oil is thicker and will carbon up the engine quickly, it needs to be used in an engine with more internal heat. Stick to air cooled oil like Pennzoil or a good chain saw oil.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/24/2007 11:16:13 AM   
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Absolutely yes!

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/24/2007 12:13:04 PM   
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This is directly off of your web sites white paper on oil.

http://www.wildharerc.com/downloads/documents/2strokeoil.pdf

"Graph 1 shows that Pennzoil® Premium
Outboard & Multi-purpose
Two-Cycle Oil (identified as the red oil)
performed exceptionally well, particularly
in the areas of combustion chamber cleanliness
and piston crown deposits.
Pennzoil® Two-Cycle Air-Cooled Engine
Oil (blue oil) performed
exceptionally well in the areas of resistance
to piston ring sticking and piston
ring land deposits."


"The blue oil (Pennzoil® 2-Cycle Air-
Cooled Engine Oil) performed extremely
well as did the red oil (Pennzoil® Premium
Outboard And Multi-Purpose
Two-Cycle Oil)."

Please let me know if it's not correct or if I am mis-comphrehending the information provided. It seems that they are saying that the Air-Cooled is best but that the Premium Outboard and Multi-Purpose Oil is perfectly acceptable.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/24/2007 12:25:02 PM   
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Re Lou55: Yes, thats what I was told. Use the Lawn Boy to break in quicker, than switch to a good synthetic. BUT, I will follow the Pennzoil lead, if I can get it up here.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/24/2007 12:52:30 PM   
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I decided to go with the Pennzoil Premium Outboard And Multi-Purpose Two-Cycle Oil after reading this. http://www.rcaerobats.net/GAS_ENGINE_INFO/oil_page.htm
Didn't think it was worth the risk of getting the wrong one.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/24/2007 3:38:54 PM   
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Here is a quote from the white paper. You really should read the whole section on "how 2 stroke oils work".

TF

"To understand how two-cycle oils work in your engine,
we need to cover some basic training on engine
operating conditions and oil formulation.
Outboard engines are characterized by their constant
speed, high output operation. They are usually
set at a desired high speed and continue at that
speed until the destination is reached and then throttled
down. Also, they are constantly cooled with
fresh, cool, non-recirculated water. Chain saws, on
the other hand, are a high action operation. They
are constantly started and stopped, used for short
periods and frequent overloads are its hard place in
life. Additionally they have smaller displacements
than outboards and are air-cooled. By understanding
how the operation of an engine can affect the oil
used and how an oil can affect the engine, we can
better appreciate the difference between a watercooled
two-cycle oil and one formulated for an
air-cooled two-cycle engine.
Water-cooled two-cycle engine oils require higher
levels of a heavy oil to prevent piston and cylinder wall
scuffing. Because of their high average piston temperature,
lighter oils evaporate too quickly from the
piston cylinder contact area. The heavy base oil,
which vaporizes at very high temperatures, resists
evaporation and remains in place to provide lubrication
to the piston and cylinder. Air-cooled oil
formulations must have much lower levels of the
heavy base oil than water-cooled engine oils. These
oils require only a small amount of heavy oil to provide
protection against piston scuffing and seizure at
peak temperatures. Heavy levels of heavy base oils in
an oil formulated for air-cooled engines can cause engines
deposits. These deposits form as a result of
incomplete burning of the heavy oil. The deposits can
cause piston ring sticking and can eventually plug or
disrupt the flow of the exhaust system, resulting in
power loss and possible engine damage. Detergent
additives should not be used in water-cooled two-cycle
oil formulations. When burned with the fuel,
detergents can produce an ash deposit in the cylinders.
This ash deposit can possibly foul spark plugs,
form exhaust port deposits which cause loss of power,
and possibly create cylinder hot spots that can cause
destructive pre-ignition.
On the other hand, the only way to protect aircooled
two-cycle engines against piston ring sticking
at their high peak temperatures is to include some detergent
additives in the oil formulation. Detergents
provide high temperature deposit control not available
from other additives used in the oil. However, in the
air-cooled engine, any ash deposits that could form
from the detergents are dislodged by engine vibration
and exhausted from the engine."


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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/24/2007 5:11:28 PM   
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I understand what they are saying but my decision was based on their conclusion after testing the oils on air-cooled aircraft engines. I'll try and get the 2 Cycle Air Cooled Oil. I thought I bought a container of it when I bought the Outboard oil but it turned out I had the same stuff Bob bought. Have to take the picture with me next time. LOL Thank you for the clarification.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/24/2007 7:20:36 PM   
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Thank you Tom, I appreciate this

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 9/27/2007 10:54:34 PM