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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/6/2007 1:47:11 AM   
Greg Cothern



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I just ran my 53cc for the first time, set low needle, then put a couple minutes on it varying the throttle. Time for the tach, ran her up and she was turning a Bunny prop 23X8 6300 rpms and would hold a steady idle at 1800 rpms immediately upon tasting fuel.
I do have a midrange burble I want to get cleared out, but I think its due to running without the cowling and the side draft carb is in the prop wash, so I plan to put a air shield in front of the carb to settle the air flow down. It was pulling fuel out of the carb.
All in all I think its going to be a nice engine for its price and size, I am happy..


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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/6/2007 2:38:09 AM   
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Greg,

If the engine is not running rich the rpm numbers are indicating that the 23" prop is too much for the engine. It may be contributing to the burbal. The cowling should not make a difference when ground running. All my singles run side mounted carbs and a little minor draw is not an issue. Installing a plate to deflect airflow may cause one.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/6/2007 3:06:18 AM   
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I am thinking possibly the timing advance is not adjusted properly. I had a heck of a time getting it to fire, had plenty of fuel getting to it, but it wanted a big big flip to hit, then it was trying to fire and run backwards. Do you think the timing could be a bit retarded?
If I flipped it with great authority it would go ahead and fire and run forward.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/6/2007 3:56:11 AM   
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Running backwards is one of the indications of retarded timing. I don't have a clue what type of ignition the 3mm uses so the proper advance amount will need to be obtained. If it's the CH clone then 28-30 degrees BTDC works out perfect.

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RE: [Deleted] - 4/6/2007 5:35:33 AM   
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I agree with Pat, I'd leave it alone and instead try to lean the low end as far as it will go. You know it's getting close when it needs to warm up for about 30 seconds before the carb will really respond, that is just on the edge of too lean and will get rid of the burble.

Sometimes we get the low end so lean that an engine (any engine) won't run at all without some choke until it's good and warm, in these cases I put the choke servo on a knob on the Tx so I can run it onpartial choke.

I think the main reason for mid-range burble is too rich setting on the low end.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/6/2007 6:01:06 AM   
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Gas Engine Tuning For Everybody Using the 3MM-53

Open both needles to 1-1/2 to start the tuning process. Use a 22" prop if you have one for the initial stages of the game. Once the engine is running peak the high needle and back off enough to hear a difference. The actual amount is unimportant. Now drop the rpm via the throttle down in the area of 2,500 to 3,500 rpm and peak the low needle. Leave it there and go check the high again at max rpm. Lean it to max and back off a touch. Now cycle the throttle fairly quickly from high to low and back to high a few times. What does it do? Does it stumble when going from low to high? Richen the low needle an amount equal to the width of the screwdriver blade that fits the needle. Everything at this point MUST be done in extremely small increments or you will pass the sweet spot to one side or the other.

It will take a few tries to hit that perfect transition spot, but you should be able to do it after learning how gasser carbs work.

Greg,

I wouldn't monkey with the timing just yet. Try the above first to see if that doesn't take care of it. One thing's for sure and that the max rpm is much too low for the engine. A prop too large will do that every time and make tuning very difficult. You'll be trying for max rpm that doesn't sound or feel right when you obtain it and it will be much lower than what everyone else has obtained. Tuning for max rpm with too large of a prop and at the same time trying to keep the engine rich enough to avoid burning it up is a very difficult way to tune a new engine, and one that's very easy to end up wrong.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/7/2007 8:51:33 PM   
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Lou55, I tried to reply to your PM's however it says you are not accepting them.
I appreciate the messages you sent, and will utilize the information, thanks.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/7/2007 9:40:24 PM   
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Greg,
If you send an e-mail to Al, he will get back with you. Something happened in the forums that upset him. Methinks that he has taken a hiatus for awhile and I as some others hope that it is not permanent. We conversed the other day and he has been very helpful, so I know that he will respond.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/7/2007 11:42:23 PM   
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Anytime, I didn't realize my PMs were not working. Sorry

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/7/2007 11:45:11 PM   
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They are set to work now. Again, very sorry.

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RE: [Deleted] - 4/8/2007 10:31:26 PM   
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Tom, I opened the bottom of the cowl up slightly at the rear and ran the engine, on the ground, several times for 5 minutes each time cycling the throttle through the entire range but mainly from half to full throttle. Engine temp measured 230-240 after shut down consistently. I'm sure that in the air the airflow through the cowl will keep it at the right temperatures.

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RE: [Deleted] - 4/10/2007 1:56:15 AM   
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Tom, Is that 5 1/2" CG good on the Edge or have you received any updates since the plane came out?

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/10/2007 2:40:03 AM   
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Lou,

I fly mine right at the 5-1/2" CG. It's an excellent 3D balance point. Behind that and the plane will begin to climb when inverted, and will be pitch sensitive with changes in throttle position at low flight speeds. At and forward of the 5-1/2" point the plane will still require just a touch of down elevator when inverted. Of course the more forward the CG, the more "down" elevator input when inverted.

Your cowl mods look real good. The temps you report are indicating that all should be fine. The best way to find out for sure is to go fly.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/10/2007 4:09:02 AM   
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Thanks for the info. If the weather gets better out I'll get to fly it this weekend. Hopefully, I'll catch Kyle out at the field adn really see what it will do.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 4/10/2007 5:51:22 AM   
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Don't let him fly your plane. Forever after you do you'll hate yourself for not being able to do all that he does, or as well.

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