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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/5/2007 9:47:04 PM   
Al Lewis


 

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Status: offline 		Believe me they work really well on my CAP. The first impression of the Edge was that it landed just like the CAP so I'm betting this is the answer. If you watch the video of my maiden you'll see the plane land exactly as you described but that's way too hard. I'd much rather use the spoilerons and bring her in gently.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/6/2007 4:00:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		As you guys get a little more time on the Edge you'll look back and wonder why you ever had a problem with floating at all. The Edge will fly extremely slow, and is fully controllable in a straight down elevator descent using high rate elevator. I've landed mine (several times) without any damage after a near vertical, flat descent to landing from over 150' of altitude. Truth be told, the Edge doesn't float, it's just being landed too fast.

Take it up high at low rates. Cut the power and hold full up elevator. That's the basic stall, straight ahead and no wing drop. Do it again with high rate elevator. Pull full up at a very low throttle setting. Steer with the rudder and hold the ailerons neutral. Use just enough power to keep the nose up and push the tail where you want it. Then come back and tell us about how slow it will land and how short a runway it uses. All it takes is getting to know the plane.

A neat little trick if you have trees on the ends of the runway is to fly down the runway center line inverted and high, push to a 1/2 outside loop to right side up, pop full high rate up elevator after it makes level and harrier down to below the tree line and then add a little power to pull it forward for landing.

< Message edited by Silversurfer -- 5/6/2007 3:25:10 PM >

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/6/2007 4:10:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Or you could just learn to wag the rudder a bit to slow the plane down. Turning the fuselage side to face the wind induces a great deal of drag. Try it, you'll be amazed what just a couple wags will do to the speed.

Try it up high first to get the knackof wagging the tail without inducing roll and to see how many wags you need to stop it.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/6/2007 7:04:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Seen a few have one float just about wouldnt land, come to find out that when I got the needles on the money it would slow down quite a bit, makes it easier to land.
Be suprised how much pull there is with a click or two of extra throttle trim.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/6/2007 1:59:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, yes, it's very important that the engine will idle down properly. A mis-adjusted idle can be enough to fly the plane.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/6/2007 3:18:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the Extra is a bit tail-heavy it will float past you too. If the tail drops a bit after the plane slows way down, any added throttle makes the plane gain altitude, which makes it harder to land. Get rid of some of the tail-heavy condition and the plane will come in with a more consistant sink rate, which will make landing it 10 times easier.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/6/2007 8:16:44 PM   
Al Lewis


 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for the suggestions. I've tried crabbing planes to slow them down and have harrier landed also. What I would really like to do though is find a way to just bring this thing in straight and level. I do have the idle a little high but can change that when I re-tune the engine today for the Vess prop. This should give you an idea of what we have to deal with on landings. LOL

http://media.putfile.com/WH-Edge-540T-Take-off--Landing

Al

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/6/2007 10:12:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just finished re-tuning for the Vess 22A and the transition is perfect now, even after five minutes of idle it will throttle right up to full without hesitation. Got the low-idle, for landing, way down and have a high-idle for flying (about 300 rpm higher). I'll try this before messing with anything else. Today was a washout with strong gusts on the runway and high winds at altitude. Even the 19 pound planes were having extreme difficulty getting down. Tried to harrier my warm-up plane onto the runway and the bottom dropped out of the wind about a foot up and took the gear off for the tenth time. LOL It's only a 50 size FuntanaX with a YS 63 in it. Hope next week is better so I can start to really fly this thing. All things considered, it really flies as good as it looks.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/7/2007 5:42:09 PM   
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The web page for the TOC-53 is now up!

http://www.wildharerc.com/products/engines/index.html

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/8/2007 12:44:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks great Tom! Are you going to list a price and availability for that rear dump muffler or is it somewhere else on the site? I clicked the link but just got a bigger picture of it.

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/8/2007 1:13:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, as soon as I find out my cost from Bisson I will post something. I've haf a friend flight testing it on an older Edge 540T and so far it's working very well.

We did some testing with a tach and the rpm was within about 50 of the stock muffler, and that iswith the 3/4" oulet pipes and the reduced tips. Seems like a very nice setup.

The sample you see did not have a support strap, that will be added even though it seems it's not needed.

Speaking of mufflers, I will start building a new Sukhette (our name for the 50cc Sukhoi) with the TOC-53 tomorrow to showcase the combo.


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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/8/2007 2:10:46 AM   
Al Lewis


 

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Status: offline 		Wouldn't like to have it tested in a new Edge V2 would ya!!!! LOL

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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/8/2007 4:43:39 AM   
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RE: New 53cc engine now available - 5/8/2007 1:41:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lou: Not one to tell someone how to fly... but I did watch your video.

To me it looks like you are doing 2 things that are working against yourself.

#1 Coming in very high above the trees which makes for continueously picking up speed on the downline towards the run way.. need to flatten out that approach.

#2 Getting off the throttle too late... the first attempt because you got off the throttle late it hadn't even slowed down enough to get to an idle until it was at the end of the run way.

Idle is a click too high as well.. at the start of the video it's too high already.. can tell by the sound and it's moving forward by itself.

Have to remember the bigger a plane the slower it looks like it's going but it's really going faster than it looks. edit: Did I really type that? haha you know what I mean

Just some pointers from watching your vid.

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