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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 2:37:59 AM   
FalloutMan


 

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Status: offline 		it may not be practical, but its an included feature that you got for way less than your radios. The best thing is the rx volt monitor. that way you dont show up to the track and race with a batt thats going dead. it may work fine when you test, but 2 minutes into a race when the batt is taking a heavy draw might not be the same. both your radios have an LCD, so your saying they are both not practical also especially because you dont get rx volt (the best feature) rpm or temp (i use for tuning). The temps thing is AWSOME for tuning with virtually no added weight. Now, I dont pull into teh pit to check temps nearly as often when practicing. i never race online, but it was an added feature that Nomadio users got FOR FREE while you get nickled and dimed with $25 usb recievers. if you think that online updates is stupid, your dumber than i realized. think about it, what if you couldnt update your ipod or Windows via online downloads, what if you had to send in for a new cd or ipod every time they found a glitch? thats what you will have to do with your radio, or (the more likely case) you will have to buy a V2 spektrum kit while i get on my computer and DL my V2 software and flash my radio AND reciever without loosing settings and no money lost.


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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 2:48:22 AM   
rsx19


 

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like i said its also based on your opinion

and like i said whats the whole point at looking at the lcd when your racing it most likely will add like seconds or more to your time

if it needs to be updated let it be updated i personally dont see anything with my m11 or 3pks firmware "added feature" is it needed, no

any way

all about your preference

also lets not start a flame war

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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 2:58:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		i always said i use the lcd for tuning. not once did i say you should use it when racing. you may not notice an issue with the firmware, but joe beezy in downtown L.A. may find hsi truck glitches form all teh crazy signals going around, but then complains to Nomadio and they fix it with an online update instead of saying "well, too bad for you. how about buying our new and improved system?" there is a reason Nomadio's tech is the best out.


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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 6:06:44 AM   
Nomadio_Sales


 

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Status: offline 		rsx19 after the flame wad was thrown..........

By the way I never have to look at my LCD with the vibe on the radio you do not need to look down the radio lets you know what is going on and you can set the vibe to alert you in different ways.

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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 7:14:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		hey nomad, any details on the micro rx out?


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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 11:36:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		and how small is this micro rx going to be?

that might make me wanna get the sensor or react =]

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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 1:06:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		It appears that this conversation has gone awry. Also Nomadio definitely has an edge, be it from fans, the sales rep, or both. While I greatly appreciate your input, other factors lead to my decision to purchase this setup after all:

Airtronics M11 (Transmitter Only – No Receiver or Servos)
(2) Airtronics 94359z Servos (200oz-.10sec @ 6v)
Spektrum DSM 3-CH Pro Series Surface Module/Rx: AIR M8/M11

(With the caveat that I may get the Airtronics 2.4 GHz module down the road depending on how things go). Part of my dilemma is that with the Nomadio system the only support I would have would be on-line. While it may very good, I need a face-to-face conversation from time to time and my LHS do not carry Nomadio. That may be in part, the reason for them not favoring Nomadio, but with the system I bought, there is a lot of local experience, thus ease of problem solving. Worst case, I scrap the whole thing in a year or two and start over, but hey especially in electronics, nothing is forever, right? Secondly, I think I tried to fool myself into thinking I would end up a single all-for-one radio, when if fact, most of you have said that you have more than one. Anyway, thanks for all your advice, pro & con.

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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 3:30:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		NOIC, if it means anything to you, I prefer the M11 over the Nomadio. Not that I think its a better radio, it just felt better in my hands. And it is the ONLY radio I use for all my land RC's.

One question I have: Spectrum advertises that the Pro model has a response time of 5.6 ms. If the Nomadio systems really do have a response time of 2.8 ms, can anyone really feel the difference between the two? Considering the difference between a .15 and .10 transit time servo in a steering setup, I am guessing you can. Then again, if you use the Nomadio with .15 servos and compare that to a Spectrum with .10 servos, wouldn't the difference be negligable?

BTW the FM radios typically have a response time around 15 ms... MUCH slower than DSM. Consider getting the Spectrum module right off the bat.

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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 3:42:52 PM   
NOIC


 

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Status: offline 		I'm not sure if I'm reading the correctly, but at Spektrum's site on this page http://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=SPM1012 it appears to say that Original module added 5.6ms, but the Pro is at 3ms. Am I not understanding it? It does appear to be negligable, but for them to change it, someone had to see the difference. (Just a layman's guess. As I said I'm far from an expert)

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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 3:48:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the latency issue there is a BIG misunderstanding if you say your lowest latency is 3ms what is your highest (pro goes up to 17ms) and what is the average (13ms) VS latency MAX is 2.8 ms.....

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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 3:52:23 PM   
Nomadio_Sales


 

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BTW the FM radios typically have a response time around 15 ms... MUCH slower than DSM. Consider getting the Spectrum module right off the bat.

Not so fasssssst there FM radios are normally 60Hz to 75Hz frame rate a spek is 50Hz frame rate putting ina spek slows your radio down BIG time.

spek 50Hz
Futaba FASST 75Hz
Airtronics 2.4GHz 100Hz
Nomadio 100Hz

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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/28/2007 7:18:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm, frame rate being the number of times per times per second that the inf between tx and rx are refreshed, and latancy being the amount of time for a response from a change with the tx (throttle increase, steering turn etc)... or am I misunderstanding something? I guess I am having trouble conceptualizing how that will affect response more so than latency and bit rate. Stupid physics. I guess what is happening is that with a Spektrum module, the refresh rate is lower than its latancy so that it ends up taking more time to make the change in the TX than it does for that info to get to the rx? And just how much inf travels between the RX and TX? Is it low enough that bit rate does not come into play?

And where can I find the specs on the M11 - latency, bit rate etc? They are not in my manual, and the only info I could find on the net (with a quick search) was what you have posted in various forums!!! LOL! Is the latency dependant on the tx module in the M11? In otherwords, is the latency 18ms (as an example) with a 75mhz tx and then the Spectrum Pro module adds another 3ms to that? That seems most likely to me, but I guess there could be a function within the unit itself that contributes to that time...

Sorry for the q's, but not many people on these forums seem to be able to answer highly technical questions. So when I find an ear to bend...

The difference between 60hz and 50hz is just .0034 seconds... but still that is a good amount of time in this situation. I am going to look into this a bit more carefully!

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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/29/2007 6:03:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		The latency isn't very good on those spectrum models... They're pretty old now for radio gear anyway.

I say go for the 3PK and FASST.

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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/29/2007 6:50:17 AM   
Nomadio_Sales


 

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Status: offline 		While the 3PK is a nice heavy radio with loads of features its still analog to digital and only 75Hz frame rate with no built in telem or pc interface its so 90s... Besides Futaba is coming out with a new radio that has PC interface and is digital throughput.

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RE: Need Your "Best Radio" Opinion Please! - 3/29/2007 3:09:46 PM   
P2gee


 

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ORIGINAL: rsx19

do u really need updates?

Sure do!! Just ask al those Spektrum users who had to down time there radios and "mail" their hardware in for a software update.

how many people race online

Quite a few actually. I have an upcoming VRC event that has about 120 folks entered.

how many times do u look at the lcd when your racing

I look at mine just about every pit stop especially if I have received a vibe alert.

u have to pay more for sensors anyway

For me those sensors have saved some high $$$ equipment on a couple of occasions.


y would u want to charge your radio from the usb port when u can use a charger and charge it much faster

Quite honestly, I will have to agree with you on this one.


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