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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 5/28/2009 12:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you very much for the response. The problem is rather on the attitude. I spoke with the respresentative at the Sepulveda Basin field on the 25th. The gentleman in the LA office admits that the product has failure as I showed him the debris. However, I have been unable to consult the other partner in Irvine. The LA gentleman told me to email the Irvine partner but I have no response. In addition, the LA partner is no longer responding to me on email and phone. Accroding to the LA gentleman, Fliton is considering to replace but needs approval from the Irvine gentleman.

The plane was flown by sesoned pilot and crashed as he did split S. Even he agrees that the wing snapping is attributable to defect unless I modified something. But there was no modification. As I recall, the tab that connects the wing and the fuse was relatively weak but the LA gentleman said not to modify it. The tab is plywood and it is bolted on to a plywood in the manner landing gear is bolted.

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 6/6/2009 3:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is anybody still listening in on this thread and actually using the recommended Hacker A50-16L on 10s? I am beginning to put mine together and am wondering how far back I will have to set the power curve or how small a prop to start with. Ideally I'd like to peak somewhere around 1600 to 1800 watts and have a prop RPM just under 7000. Mostly though I'd love to hear from folks using an A50. Also, I searched hard and could only find 2 instances of wing separation for the Inspire one of which came on a gas setup which I think is really to much vibration for this light airframe. What did you current owner/operators do or not do to reinforce your wings, and what would you do in my shoes? I'm planning on dripping CA on the rib joints that are accessible, as recommended by Incheol, but I'm curious what others think. Thanks as always, Joe 

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/4/2009 12:33 PM   
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Thanks for the info volkert.

Let us know how the trimming goes.

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So finally today I had a chance to fly again. It has been pretty cold here.

I moved both servo's from the tail to servo tray just behind the wing tube. I installed pull-pull for both elevators and rudder. I also installed the Gator wing adjusters and increased the wing incidence from 0 to 0,5 degrees.

Knife Edge performance improved significantly! When flying from left to right (canopy towards me) it now is straight! No more mix. Flying from right to left it pulls a bit to the canopy. For now I mixed this away. My upline is straight. A bit of pull to the canopy on the downline. It was still pretty cold here so I didn't spend too much time on it. All in all an improvement none the less!

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Volkert,

Would you please post a picture of how you are holding the wing panels after installing the wing adjusters?
I am in the very similar situation. Knife edge flights has opposite elevator problem.
So far, I added approximately 1 degree of down thrust.
My is YS110S on Hyde mount with Hatori header & YS63 muffler. I can do most of the US/AMA Intermediate sequence under 2/3 throttle.
Replaced the canopy with cut down Hangar 9 Showtime 90 canopy. If I can pull it out, I will replace it again with Showtime 50 canopy with very little cut down.

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/6/2009 1:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I did was only install an adjuster at the backside of the wing (instead of the pin). The forward anti-rotation pin I removed and tapped thread for an M5 bolt. The original hole for the forward AR-pin I widened upward to allow adjustment of the wing.

When installing the wing on the plane I use the original M4 bolt and lip AND the M5 bolt where the forward AR pin used to be.

Hope this clarifies it.

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/7/2009 8:29 AM   
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Thank you for the explanation on wing adjuster.
It seems to be pretty easy that way.

I will add the adjuster soon.
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/8/2009 9:52 PM   
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What I did was only install an adjuster at the backside of the wing (instead of the pin). The forward anti-rotation pin I removed and tapped thread for an M5 bolt. The original hole for the forward AR-pin I widened upward to allow adjustment of the wing.

When installing the wing on the plane I use the original M4 bolt and lip AND the M5 bolt where the forward AR pin used to be.

Hope this clarifies it.

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After re-reading maybe just to clarify: of course I installed the adjuster in the fuse and replaced the pin at the backside of the wing with the little piece of tube supplied with the adjuster.

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/16/2009 3:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I went to the fall Ocean County Modelers Pattern Meet this weekend. What a TOTAL BLAST! The only minor disappointment was that no other Sportsman showed up for day one, but day two brought a spunky kid named Kenny who'll be tearing up the skies in a few years for sure. In terms of Inspire news I got lots of interest and input on my plane. Dave Lochart (forgive me if I spelled his last name wrong) was there and commented on my 6s setup because it was so "conservative". I was using a TrueRC 6s8000 on the AXI 4130/16 and only pulling 50 amps. With that pack the plane weighed 9 lbs 5 ozs and flew like a champ. My mentor C. M. who placed well at the Nats flew it for me and was satisfied that she's plenty good for Intermediate level competition in Pattern. I know there are many options, but I will say for sure that the following setup is OUTSTANDING for performance and price for an entry level Electric Pattern plane:


APCe 18x12
AXI 4130/16
Hacker X-70-SB PRO
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The Inspire really presented well and flew a pattern just as big as the 2M ships all at a fraction of the cost. Given the sparse number of "near" 2M entry level airframes designed for electric, I am genuinely saddened by the loss of this design. I can only hope that Fliton will deliver something in the same price range and size once the Inspire stock is gone. Mean time I guess I may have to try a Wind 110


And again I want to emphasize how awesomely well this plane flies pattern and all at a fraction of the normal true pattern ship cost. For those looking for their first plane this is a tremendous choice!!


Here's a shot of the Inspire amidst some serious company. You'll note Dave's machines in the background, as well as the ultra-cool Delro Addiction!


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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/16/2009 10:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		good stuff Joe! Do you fly the Inspire with any mixes?

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/17/2009 1:28 AM   
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/17/2009 4:41 AM   
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It is Bolly F3A Curved.

Volkert,

I have a question to ask. Do you remember what angle your Inspire had after finish building?

Mine seems to have positive incidence on horizontal stab. so it's like near 0 on wing and postive 1 or 2 on horzontal stab and probably 1.5 down thrust right now.

Not sure how much wing incidence I will end up with, but I will start with 0.5 degrees and see what happens. It has been very windy to fly the untrimmed plane so far.

Also, do you think it's possible to move the tank over the CG? I am looking for a new fuel tank so that I can put the fuel tank over the wing tube (CG).

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/17/2009 10:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I measured my Inspire it seemed to be at zero for both wing and stabilizer. I increased wing incidence to 0,7 positive.

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/17/2009 10:39 AM   
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Where did you set the datum or reference line?
I am trying to figure out if horizontal stab was mounted incorrectly.
Did you add any down thrust?
I have about 2.5 degree down thrust right now, but I will be removing the down thrust after setting the wing to positive 1.0 degree relative to horizontal stab.


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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/17/2009 2:46 PM   
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good stuff Joe! Do you fly the Inspire with any mixes?

Volkert
Hey Volkert, As a beginner I don't have much knowledge of mixing yet, but I do have 3% down elevator on 0 throttle for the downlines, and the ailerons are set as spoilers for the landing. Otherwise I didn't see any need YET When my buddy Chris Moon was flying the plane he did say that there was a slight pull to the canopy in knife edge but only miniscule.


Spanky - Incheol has lots of great Bolly gear still around. Like he said I got it from him. Thanks again Incheol!


I got a PM from someone setting up an Inspire like mine so I thought I'd post some pictures of my newest and I think best setup yet. The Hacker X-70 has a Switchmode BEC and is still super light, while the 6s8000 TrueRC pack is a perfect fit both size and weight wise and allows for upto a 15 minute flight!!




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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/17/2009 4:52 PM   
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It sounds like you may have nose heavy plane and your plane doesn's have wing incidence as some of ours.

Have you tried Knife Edge Loop yet? I tried Knife Edge vertical S. Since I have rudder to aileron and rudder to elevator, it was a little hard to get the Knife edge loop. I think the plane is capable of knife edge vertical 8. It will be easier with correct incidence added.

I don't have a lot of Bolly left. only a couple of them.

8000mAh is way more than enough. I usually fly 7 or 8 minutes and lands with 1/3 of fuel left over (450cc fuel tank right now).

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/17/2009 11:48 PM   
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Where did you set the datum or reference line?


I didn't have a reference line so I setup the plane fixated so I could first measure wing incidence and then without moving the plane measure stab incidence. As good as I could measure, it seemed to be 0/0. I also did my best to bring the CG as forward as possible. For that I moved both servo's to the center of the plane and used pull-pull for both rudder and elevator halves.

I wouldn't touch the downthrust if not really necessary.

The way the wing incidence is setup now has the effect that the elevator halves are lined up perfectly with the stab's trailing edge after trimming the plane for level flight. I think that indicates the setup is now fine.

I am not sure but I think the fact that this plane was setup as an electric has effect on for instance knife-edge performance when flying on fuel. With the original setup (CG as indicated and no change on incidence) knife-edge performance was a disaster without mixes. After the corrections, KE is neutral one way and needed 2 degrees of mix of elevator the other way. On electric the propellor is much bigger and therefor gives a different prop-wash then on fuel. This must have an effect on the tail surfaces.

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/22/2009 1:39 AM   
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Got to fly my Inspire in a hotly contested 2 day Pattern meet in Virginia. I came in third but was in no way disappointed with the outcome. As always I learned a great deal, and I feel like my learning curve continues to be exponential. The Inspire presented fantastically well, and I was up against a full 2M ship, a Focus II. The Inpsire is simply perfect for Sportsman competition and at a fantastic price point. I would like to have come back and said that I took first place with the Inspire but it was only my 3rd contest and still only my first season plus I was told time and again that the skill level represented in this particular competition was not normal for Sportsmen. In fact every judge I spoke to encouraged me to move on to intermediate which made me so excited I went out and bought a new plane. Actually it was such a steal I couldn't resist and I got a chance to fly it and it is truely a "Dream Machine". It's an electrified Integral with a Pletty motor and a Jeti esc. So sadly that means my Fliton Inspire is going up for sale. It had a short but illustrious career and hopefully I can find it a great new home in some Sportsmens garage



P.S. The one in the last photo with the yellow spinner is my new one.



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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/22/2009 10:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Joe, that is really great. Myself I flew all winter with the Inspire-90. I did not use it for competition, for that I flew a locally made 2 meter plane. Still, the Inspire is very, very close to this plane when it comes to pattern performance! Like you, I could not resist the temptation and bought this season a ZN-line Twister with a Pletty.
In competition I actually won the sportsman in our country (like a district I suppose) so will move on to Intermediate as well.

I can just very much recommend to anyone taking a plane like the Inspire-90 and compete. Your flying will improve dramaticaly and it's a lot of fun as well!

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/22/2009 10:08 PM   
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Contragulation on excellent results at contests!
I will be flying the Inspire at Fort Scott this weekend for Intermediate class.

I got mine trimmed out almost. I still need to fine tune a little more this week.
This plane flys very smooth. However, it is a little fast to my flight style, so I will have to work on the prop this week.
Wing does require incidence. I adjusted the incidence on Sunday after each flight. I think it now has about 1.5 degrees of positive incidence. However, I have a couple click of down trim and a little too much (about 2.5 ~ 3 degrees of down thrust by one washer).

Elevator to Rudder mixing is necessary for straight knife edge. For knife edge loop, it requires full rudder for the 2nd half of the loop. First half was possible with a little more than 3/4 throttle and low rate of rudder.

For the intermediate, this plane will do just fine.

Volkert,

Thank you very much for the help. Without your pictures on engine mounting and explanation on wing adjusters, it would have been ugly.
I tapped the wing for 1/4" nylon screw as it has less # of thread than metric screws. So far 6 flights went without any problems.

I will post final pictures of the plane this weekend.
I may peel all the covering and recover during the winter if I have enough time.
YES IT IS BUILDING TIME!! I have a Brio 2m to build and 2 of Sword 2m to assemble (not very good).

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/23/2009 2:18 AM   
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Is their a thread on the Twister? I'd love to see pictures and learn more.






Incheol -

I believe you must have fantastic patience after all the work you have put into the Inspire, but I am certain the end result will be perfect, and I can't wait to see some pictures of all your handiwork!







Maybe I'll end up keeping my "Dear 'ole" Inspire just for practice

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/23/2009 3:06 AM   
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http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413702 Adam Glett's Twister

http://www.gbrcaa.org/smf/index.php?topic=965.15 GB RC Twister build thread.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7392436/tm.htm RCU Twister thread (I believe GBRC pictures are the same ones listed here).


I will keep at least two of 90 size and a Kyosho Osmose 70 for practice. For contests next year, I hope to bring Brio and one of the YS115 equipped 90 size as back up.

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/26/2009 10:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Flew my Inspire today (a beautiful day!) a lot. I can fly three sequences in one flight! Running a four-stroke has its advantages!

I still feel to fly this plane I need a ton of mixes . Throttle to rudder, Throttle to elevator, rudder to elevator, rudder to aileron.... It might have something do do with flying with a Hyde mount, but I find it a bit ridiculous!

What are your experiences?

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/27/2009 2:26 AM   
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/27/2009 10:15 PM   
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Sounds like your CG is way too far aft. Try moving your CG forward. Doesn't matter where it balanced in reference to where it says. The only way to get a CG right is to fly it. A Hyde mount would have nothing to do with mixes.

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Absolutely possible. I have been working on that. I moved the servo's from the tail to the center with pull-pull. All I could move forward I moved. It has already improved a lot but it is still not to my liking.

In my opinion this plane is designed for electrics in mind. Then it is easy to move the weight of the batteries. All I can do now is add lead, don't like that!

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 9/28/2009 7:05 AM   
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I finally flew at a local contest for Intermediate class. Couldn't do very well, but NOT because of the plane. I had total of 6 practice flights before the contest.
So far, I feel that the Inspire is good plane, but a built with a little too soft balsa. I bounced on landing downwind/crosswind causing 4 cracks on the left side of the fuse (mostly on balsa sheeting and one on the LG bulkhead). If you hold the wing a little hard, leading edge gets dinged up.

Mine still needs more trimming as I think it is still tail heavy as my down elevator during inverted (level/45 degree) is a littl too sensitive (45% expo).

There was another Inspire with OS120AX (stock muffler) at the contest.
That plane didn't have any mixing. Not exactly sure if it was not necessary at all or it was built better. The pilot told me he doesn't have any mixing in use.

It definitely was designed for electric power since we can't put the fuel tank on CG at all. I even thought about modifying the hatch to move the tank over the wing tube.

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 10/2/2009 4:00 AM   
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