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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 4/15/2007 2:01 PM   
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 5/4/2007 11:53 PM   
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 5/5/2007 4:45 AM   
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 5/20/2007 2:55 AM   
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 5/20/2007 4:08 AM   
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 5/20/2007 9:26 PM   
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After finding that fliton was making an inspire 90 a while back i had to research it. I am in love with the
plane. I am looking to go inexpensive for the setup though. I looking at an E-flite Power 60 with the new
E-flite 60 amp esc. It looks like a great 6s pattern plane.

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 5/24/2007 12:48 AM   
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Hi guys,

After finding that fliton was making an inspire 90 a while back i had to research it. I am in love with the
plane. I am looking to go inexpensive for the setup though. I looking at an E-flite Power 60 with the new
E-flite 60 amp esc. It looks like a great 6s pattern plane.



I'm sure some will disagree, seems that's always the case on these boards but... I fly an Inspire 60 (Axi 4130/16, Spin 75, EVO 6S2P 5000, 17 x 10) and I'd have to say this plane is an 8S minimum. I agree a 6S will get it off the ground but 8S is really in the sweet spot and on top of that, I draw 52 AMPs now with my setup so you may want to step up to a 75 minimum ESC. Just to give you some background, I fly only electrics, up to 12S and Ithink if you run the numbers in MotoCalc, you'll come to the conclusion that 6S will fly, possibly well but certainly not "inspire" you...

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 6/7/2007 1:48 AM   
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8S on a 60 sized plane? no way in my opinion. 6S is tons of power for me and everyone i know flying the isnpire 60. inspire 90, i plan to go 8S with 18x10 prop. speaking of which, i am told this bird will be in-stock in 1 week... cant freakin wait.



No, 8S for the plane we are talking about in this forum, the Inspire 90. I was saying I fly the Inspire 60 with 6S and IMO 6S is not enough to really get the performance you'd expect from the Inspire 90, contrary to someone else saying 6S should be more than enough...

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 6/7/2007 3:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did ya'll know that Piedmont is just about (less than 4 weeks) to come out with a 90 size focus with adjustable stabs and 2piece wing for $439... It's called the focus sport. I think this is going to be the BEST deal for a budget intro pattern plane. Only the Spot-on 120 and the Inspire 90 will come close.

I've got one with my name on one. I also took advantage of the summer sale on a new YS 110 FZ-S to go with it.

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 6/7/2007 12:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		6S vs 8S depends on the amps. My TRex 600 batt can go to 2000 watts. Don't tell me that even if this plane comes at 10 lbs (doubt it since the numbers tell us that it'll come in around 8-9 lbs) 200 watts/lb is "not enough".

But then again, only time will tell.

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 6/9/2007 10:22 PM   
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6S vs 8S depends on the amps. My TRex 600 batt can go to 2000 watts. Don't tell me that even if this plane comes at 10 lbs (doubt it since the numbers tell us that it'll come in around 8-9 lbs) 200 watts/lb is "not enough".

But then again, only time will tell.



Batteries are rated in volts and amps, watts express the amount of work done by a certain amount of electric current (amps) at a certain pressure (volts). The numbers you see when you measure the wattage (whattmeter I assume?) is input wattage, only partially related to the outout power as different motors, gearboxes and propellers can reduce efficiency to less than 50% in some cases. So when you say your battery is capable of 2000 watts, that does not equate to the motor producing 2000 watts of power at the propeller when you make your 200 watts/lb analogy.

Take the 2000 watts measured by the whattmeter (input power, not power at the propeller), if you were running a 6S pack that would be a 90 amp draw on your battery, not exactly ideal when designing the ideal combination of battery, speed controller and motor. Yes, it is slightly less than the rated 20C (100 amps) continuous amperage draw the battery is capable of but not a good design if one were building this system from scratch and looking for the ideal combination of components to use.

Change that battery to an 8S and you now have a more sustainable draw of 67 amps (your battery will thank you for this on hot days) and the ability to comfortably use a 75 amp speed controller. I say this not to say you are wrong BoneDoc, I have read your posts before and I know you are knowledgable, I say this only to prevent someone from assuming a battery is a battery and simply interchangeable from model to model. The single biggest change one can make to the power and performance of an electric plane is to change only the battery, for that reason I try and match them to the application. If you keep a battery well within its operating parameters it will last longer not to mention have the extra kick when needed...

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 6/10/2007 11:35 AM   
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At any rate, on to a different topic. I talked to Edson today, and it should be in pretty soon .

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 6/11/2007 2:41 AM   
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At any rate, on to a different topic. I talked to Edson today, and it should be in pretty soon .



I'm still on the fence with this one, I love the look and size plus I have an Inspire 60 and LOVE it. It's just that I have a C-ARF Impact I'm building (waiting for the hot Florida weather to be gone, say October) so I am not sure I need two of the same thing. Part of me says the Inspire 90 will be a cheaper alternative and something I can be comfortable on less-than-perfect days plus I have 10 6S2P EVO 5000 packs (plenty of them!) that I plan on running in series on the Impact (12S) and only 3 4S packs floating about for the 8S packs the Inspire 90 would require.

Tough decision...

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 6/13/2007 7:53 AM   
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 6/14/2007 4:35 PM   
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 7/3/2007 5:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		[I called my LHS today and they had just received 2 Inspire 90's, I had one held behind the counter and headed over, what a disapointment! The box was beat up, no label, just brown and the airplane was for lack of a better work, cheap. It's just a scaled up Inspire 60, no real mods, no new hardware. Despite what looks like a very cool 4 intake cowl in the pics, the cowl has some odd slits in the side, upward facing, very cheap looking and the hardware, well, it's typical Fliton, cheap and the wing tube is an Inspite 60 tube. I expected a little more, really the wing pins are thinner than the Inspire 60, they look like any harsh treatment will snap them off. The canopy, thin, thin and cheap, full of warps and bends.

Fliton, you dropped the ball, this should have been a slam dunk, pretty much every Inspire 60 owner would likely buy one of these. Cheap, cheap and cheap! My latest plane, a Hanger 9 Sundowner F1 cost me $399, it came with a rock-solid, double-thick, built up fuse, mostly sheeted wings with ultracote, great Hanger 9 hardware and the cleanest, slickest covering job I could ask for. The Inspire 90, cheap looking, cheap hardware, the same garbage landing gear from the Inspire 60 and it cost $359, $40 less than the Hanger 9 but MILES from the quality and appearance.

Bad Fliton! You lost a customer...

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 7/3/2007 3:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		The new wing tube is much stronger than the old one. It won't snap in flight. Besides this plane is not designed for doing "walls" anyway, or blenders, where most would break their wing tube. Do you personally have an Inspire 60?

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 7/3/2007 10:09 PM   
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The new wing tube is much stronger than the old one. It won't snap in flight. Besides this plane is not designed for doing "walls" anyway, or blenders, where most would break their wing tube. Do you personally have an Inspire 60?



Yes, I have an Inspire 60 (Axi 4130/16, Jeti Spin 75, EVO 5000 6S2P, APC 17 x 8) and it flys very nicely, although it took quite a bit of re-shrinking and warping with heat to get it all straight out of the box. It is light, so I get the fact that strength is not a primary concern but IMO it is built too cheap, seveal joints aren't glued, the covering as really cheap, the silly wood dowel used to join the elvator halves is just bad design and the known issue with the gear delaminating are things I would have liked to see changed. The Inspire 90 is just as cheap, all of the same flaws exist and my point was less about that but rather comparing it to my new H9 Sundowner @ $399, an entire class away from the Inspire in quality, fit and finish, hardware and covering...

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 7/8/2007 7:33 AM   
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jfetter, i hear nothing but great things about the inspire 90, so i was shocked to hear this type of response. some of my friends who are the pickiest builders were very pleased with what they got in the inspire 90 and if you follow the threads on rcgroups, even others feel the same. sounds like you are just one bummed out customer~



I guess I was hoping to see the weak points in the Inspire 60 corrected in the Inspire 90, to me it's the same thing simply scaled up. After buying one of the new Hanger 9 Sundowner F1 ARF's a week before looking at the Inspire 90, I also now can say for certain there is world of difference in hardware, fit and finish and general quality of wood and covering between Hangar 9 and Fliton. Unfortunately Fliton uses the cheapest materials they can get their hands on, it shows in the lines of the warped surfaces out of the box, the covering that even this week in the lightest drizzle started to peel off my Inspire 60 in flight, it's just a shame a new plane with so much potential didn't build on the weak point of its predecessor.

I'm not a Fliton hater, they are what they are but if you look at the quality of this plane, it should be selling for $100 cheaper than it is, if that were the case I wouldn't make an argument because then you are getting what you pay for rather than paying more for what you get in return. I'm trying to be honest and unbiased in my review here, I went in to my LHS just to buy the Inspire 90, so it's not like I am bad mouthing something I never intended to purchase...

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 7/8/2007 2:36 PM   
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 7/8/2007 8:02 PM   
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I have seen the Inspire 60 in a box in my LHS - and I can not understand the comments about how low quality it is ? IMHO it's a top quality contest build, very light for flight performance. Exactly opposite what you can get with an average mass produced ARF. The typical mass market ARF's are "reinforced" and "built to withstand less than perfect handling" which usually translates to higher weight and less flight performance for pattern and 3D. ( unless one considers 3D as "rocket pull out from a hover" ;-)

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The Inspire 60 build threads are full of folks complaining about warped wings, stabs, fuselages and control surfaces not to mention the silly dowel used to join the elevator halves being warped. All it takes is a quick search of "Inspire" and "Warped" and you'll see that lighter may be the goal but warped is the result. If you add the covering, which is something they dug up on their own and comes off, wont re-stick after it comes off and in general is really the lowest grade material they could put on and you'll understand my point. I think every manufacturer should offer a "premium" build for models that have been glued properly and come with name-brand covering, I'd gladly pay the extra 15%. The Inspire 60 has unlimited vertical with a 6S and Axi 4130/16, 4 to 8 ounces of glue and proper covering won't adversly change the way it flies (perhaps improve it with "true" surfaces)...

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 7/8/2007 8:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just my 2 cent but even though I love and fly a bunch of Fliton planes I was very disappointed in the Inspire 60. I was REALLY excited to get it out out the box and build it! My experience is similar to JFetters, the Inspire 60 came out of the box as warped as any plane I had ever seen. The elevator dowel is useless and an insult to anyone serious about using it to practice pattern (which was my goal with it). Very disappointed!. The elevator halves has such a bad twist to them there was a half inch difference between them at neutral. After spending way too much time unwarping it, it flew but not even close to my expectiations. It has never flew again.

I bought a Hyperion Katana 90! GREAT PLANE to practice with and flys 8:30 on 8s 3700Mah with 2 minutes to spare on a 16x8e (pattern style flying)!

I was going to order the Inspire 90 but if its just a scaled up Inspire 60. I'll pass... Darn.. It look so good....

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 7/9/2007 2:00 AM   
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Just my 2 cent but even though I love and fly a bunch of Fliton planes I was very disappointed in the Inspire 60. I was REALLY excited to get it out out the box and build it! My experience is similar to JFetters, the Inspire 60 came out of the box as warped as any plane I had ever seen. The elevator dowel is useless and an insult to anyone serious about using it to practice pattern (which was my goal with it). Very disappointed!. The elevator halves has such a bad twist to them there was a half inch difference between them at neutral. After spending way too much time unwarping it, it flew but not even close to my expectiations. It has never flew again.

I bought a Hyperion Katana 90! GREAT PLANE to practice with and flys 8:30 on 8s 3700Mah with 2 minutes to spare on a 16x8e (pattern style flying)!

I was going to order the Inspire 90 but if its just a scaled up Inspire 60. I'll pass... Darn.. It look so good....



I'm not trying to badmouth Fliton, honestly I'm not. I own quite a few planes and would gladly add the Inspire 90 if I didn't think I was going to have to spend an extra 8 hours re-attaching and shrinking the covering, taping the edges of the trim to keep them from coming off after several flights, mounting a second elevator servo because the dowel really is just a poor design (any large loops and you can clearly see the tracking is off from the opposite elevator half twisting because the dowel can't hold it adequately) and in general using heat and warpng the surfaces back into alignment. Add to that the gear I can be certain will delaminate after a dozen flights and after a while the maintenance becomes more than I want.

Has anyone built one of these and flown it yet?

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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 7/9/2007 3:14 AM   
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RE: NEW Fliton Inspire 90 Pattern Plane - 7/9/2007 5:53 AM   
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I am not surprised, I fly many planes that are supposed to be really bad. My Flip 3D should have a fuse snapped in half long time ago. My Oxalys must be some odd one as the covering is still intact. My YS-63 is different from all other YS as it does not need constant fiddling with the regulator. My mate's excellent Inspire 60 should be totally warped, with flaky dowel and peeling off covering - surprisingly none of that actually happens. Maybe it's time for some posts praising Mojo 60 as best thing since sliced bread,

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You know, this isn't a forum to simply make smart-ass comments because you don't aree with what a person might post. Take it or leave it, it's up to you but my comments are common throughout the Inspire 60 build thread, you may want to spend a few minutes reviewing them since you seem to feel my opinion is either stacked against Fliton or I am exaggerating the issues. This forum is realy about folks providing feedback and comments that might possibly help others. Since I actually own and fly an Inspire 60 and have had an actual Inspire 90 in my hand for an hour while I went over it carefully, I'd say you may want to either accept it as-is or go out and buy one yourself, build it, fly it and then tell me I'm wrong...

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