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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/4/2008 11:11:54 AM   
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Thanks for your kick reply Osterizer and Tex!
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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/5/2008 10:23:06 PM   
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Welcome, nelo. Shot some more airborne vid today; a bit of interference from vibration, flying like crap and spending a lot of time on trim, but still fun to see what the heli sees:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXL06SVYY6o

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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/6/2008 1:07:53 AM   
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Anyone have any suggestions regarding expo, throttle/ pitch curve and other set up parameters for the 450 and a Futaba 9c radio? What is working for you?
I have all servos working appropriately but would like opinions on a starting point for other settings.
I'm using a Castle creations phoenix esc with usb programmer....any suggestions there?
One last one.....I would like to set it up initially so that the positive throttle starts at stick down rather than mid stickas I have no need for negative collective (no 3D) at this point. Is there a way that I can set up for 0-8 degrees collective and 0(null) to full esc speed on the 9c? I ask this because my night ranger 3d has a switch that allows me to operate in both modes and I would like the option with the 450 and 9C.

I am a novice/intermediate heli pilot....keep that in mind
Any help would be appreciated.

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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/6/2008 1:09:44 AM   
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Oh forgot to mention.....I'm using the GY240 for gyro.

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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/6/2008 2:48:59 AM   
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A lot of questions there, Newflee. Let's see....

ESC, you didn't mention the motor, and where the motor timing and governor settings are concerned, the motor really determines what you want to use. Set current limiting to "insensitive," brake off, and throttle endpoints to heli (fixed). Set the soft start to spin up soft (sorry, don't remember the exact nomenclature they use).

Pitch curves are pretty standard across the board. Set a linear pitch curve (0-25-50-75-100), and then adjust the heli so that bottom of the stick is -9 degrees pitch, middle is 0, and top is +9. You need to set it up for full travel, even if you're not going to use it, so the mechanics are in the right positions. Once that is set up, make your normal pitch curve something like 43-47-50-75-100; that will give you a couple of degrees down to full up. You can do all this in the pitch curve (normal) section on the second page of the standard menu; if you want to set the idle-up curves you'll have to go to the advanced menu, but the idle up curves should stay linear.

Throttle curving will also depend on the motor you're running and head speed you want. In general, take the no-load RPM of the motor (motor kV times the nominal volts, 11.1V if you're using 3S), divide that number by the number of teeth in the main gear (138). Divide your target head speed (about 2400 RPM) by that number to get the number of teeth you want on the pinion (you'll get a fraction, so round up).

When it's geared correctly, if you're not using governor, you'll want the normal curve to be something like 0-70-70-85-100. This will probably be different from the NR3D; you want to get the rotors spun up and spinning at a nearly constant RPM while you're flying, and the NR3D probably sped them up and slowed them down in flight. That reduces your stability and puts a greater burden on the gyro and tail servo, and it generally makes it less fun to fly- changing to a constant head is one thing that will make it fly a lot better than the NR3D. Idle-up should mirror the right side of the normal curve, or be a little higher but not too much, something like 100-90-80-90-100 or 100-85-70-85-100.

The 9C has a cool feature that delays the switch between flight modes. On the advanced menu, bottom of the first page, there's a "DELAY" item; in that section, set the THRO and PITC values to 20% or so. If you're using the same curves in normal and idle-up it won't make a difference, but if you (like me) run higher head speed in idle-up, this will transition between the two over about five seconds instead of jumping immediately from one speed to the other.

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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/6/2008 5:14:36 AM   
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You probably won't like my settings, but here goes nothing!

I1 and I2 have 20% Expo

Throttle 100 flat except N mode which is 80/80/85/95/100

N pitch: 40/50/60/80/100

I1 pitch: 10/30/60/85/100 (13deg of pitch)

I2 pitch: 100/100/50/100/100 (13 deg pitch)

Gyro-N30%/I1 30%/I2 30%

just goto trextuning.com and look one the setup page 2. Bottom of th page has beginner settings.

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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/6/2008 5:19:03 AM   
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I don't believe that's your I2 pitch- or is that for takeoff on the lunar mission?

[edit] BTW, yes, I know the 400/450 takes about a year to spin up . It has the oldest ESC in my shop, and it won't program any more so I can't change it. Probably ought to replace it, but it works OK otherwise. [/edit]


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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/6/2008 5:42:47 PM   
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Hello everyone,

I just recieved a MX450 from Tower Hobbies yesterday. I am no newbe and have been flying Helis for 13 years and RC planes for over 40 yrs. This is my observation and impression of the MX450.

I received a great deal on the heli paying $129.00. Thats the reason to buy it in the first place. I thought that for that price I could afford to fix the problems if any. As a note to every one, I have never had a heli or airplane that did not have a few boo boo's. The Trex has a few problems, so does The Titan, Rapters, Jr's, Hirobos, Kyosho, Copter X and so on. I know because I have own them and felt blessed to have them. The new Trex 600 has a few boo boo's also. And then you will come across someone who has to bash everything. You know the ones.

So here we go.

The heli is an eye popper for sure.

I inspected the parts count and found the blade spacers were missing. A call to Tower has them on the way.

As always I started to test all the screws and in my attempt to remove the tail block screws I popped the heads off. The screws are so soft that it feels like the screws were loose. I broke two off, one in each block. In my investegation I found that most of the screws are super glued instead of locktite. The trick to loosen them is to unscrew a fraction and then screw it back in and the back and forth rocking the screw and it will break loose. I replaced all the frame screws with socket head 2mm harden bolts from Dubro. You can get at most any LHS.

My swash plate was stiff and was a little binding on the shaft. Funny, just like the Trex. A little oil and it works real slick now.

The MX head was really smooth and free. My Trex SA was really bound up and the spindles were dry and would not track the blades. A little Lith. grease had it working fine. If you have a tracking probem on any heli pull the arms off the head and grease the dampers before blaming the blades. I haven't checked the MX blades just yet but I will report back later.

Tail??????? whats up with that?? The slider will have to be replaced or worked in. I can understand a little stiff at first but this is sad. The slider will lock up at the extrems and you have to pry it loose. I will report later on that one.

So we have two problems that show up but we can fix real easy. If you think of it they are minor. For the price I paid for it, What a Buaaagan.

I am going to use Futaba 3107 servos, 146IP receiver (I use a 9c super). 401 gyro with a 9257 servo on tail mount. Aline 450L motor, 13 pinion, Al 35G ESC for 5V. (The 9257 does not like 6V). FP 11.1 Evo 25 battery. FMA Cellpro 4S charger. I like this charger very much.

Till next time.

JIM

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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/6/2008 7:09:14 PM   
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thanks Osterizer, Tex for your advice. I will get this set up eventually. The Trex set up pages should help in other respects too. The motor in use is a warp 4 bl4-15-3.

Thanks again.

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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/6/2008 10:54:19 PM   
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NP, Newflee. You'll get it sorted, I'm sure. We've had quite a bit of fun with the MX.

Here's today's flight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSWAiGGkHyg Much better flying when you can see the durn thing!

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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/7/2008 10:14:19 AM   
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After inspecting my MX I found a few problems out of the box, I will not say how many other than the soft screw problem but one call to Tower Hobbies had the parts within a few days. I have to say the customer service I recieved for this problem and others was outstanding and very prompt on taking care of the issues I had right out of the box. Already got a metallic red painted canopy from CNCHelicopter.com with a few other things and will be using a C.Creations SC and probably the Align motor. same problem here on the tailshaft but some polishing compound and a dremel with a dash of Moly powder made it very smooth. Just ordered the Carbon fiber frame kit and will weigh the differences when I have it disassembled just for those curious minds out there and tail boom servo mounts along with the aluminum gyro mount already installed. Well let the money pit begin next with the digital servos, reciever and gyro, probably JR as I will be using my JR8103 to fly this bird around. Pics soon so stay tuned for the Money Pit show at a LHS near you........

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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/7/2008 3:43:50 PM   
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V-master,

I just got off the phone with Tower and I can tell you they have the tail blocks on the way. To tell the truth they have outstanding service for everything I have ordered from them for many many years now. As I work my tail slider a bit it to broke loose. I found that the ball ends were a bit stiff so I resized them with a ball end tool and now the slider ir fairly smooth. I am still waiting on some Items before iIcan get it flying. I will report back later.

I saw the new E-flight 400 fly yesterday I my club. We have a Factory JR/ Spektrum rep there in our club and he brought one to try. Very impressive. We flew it just as it came in the box with factory setup and programming. It flew great. Tons of power and can do very hard 3D out of the box. Will make a great 1st heli.

Keep um Flying,

JIM

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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/9/2008 12:13:59 AM   
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Has anyone here used the Venom motors and speed controls?

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RE: MX450 XS Discussion Thread - 1/9/2008 1:58:59 AM   
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