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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 5/18/2003 8:59:08 PM   
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Awesome! It won't be long now... you'll be stormin' those nip carriers before you know it. ;-)

Tried to start on my wing, but found the laser cut dihedral braces to be WAY OFF and had to order the wood to recut them myself. The plans had errors too, but not as bad as the cutting.

No chance of catchin' ya now!

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 5/18/2003 10:09:56 PM   
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I hate it when parts don't fit right! I've scratch built a few planes from plans that were so bad I practically re-engineered the whole thing. The parts fit of Ziroli plans has been excellent on the three I have built so far (AT6, P47, Dauntless).

I'm going to do open canopies on the Dauntless, but I might fly it with the closed canopy just so I can fly it this season (If the weather ever gets decent!!).

Jim

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 5/19/2003 7:11:34 PM   
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Ditto on the opened canopy. I'm a little concerned about the wind load rushing under the center section of the opened greenhouse though. Seems like a lot of pressure there that could easily rip it off.

I see a lot of SBD's flying with them open though, so it must be OK if you get them secured well. Hopefully the pilot's windshield deflects most of the air, and what's left will pass through/under the canopy center section and out the gunners area.

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 5/19/2003 7:30:17 PM   
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Eventually I'm going to have the canopies open, but for now I'll just attach the canopy closed so I can get the plane flyable sooner. Most of the models I've seen have them open and it seems like most of the pictures of full-size ones have them open. It just looks cooler that way.

Jim

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 6/11/2003 1:46:30 AM   
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Just started my Ziroli Dauntless. Got the stab built and working on the first elevator. Going with the scale set up but I am having a difficult time envisioning the leading edge of the elevator starting at the outside edge going into the first hinge. It seems that this section will come up from behind the stab when the elevator moves so it should not be rounded like the rest of the leading edge. Do you have a picture of your elevators' leading edge that you might be able to post. Much appreciated if you do.

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 6/11/2003 4:24:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hope this helps. The pivot point of the hinges is back into the leading edge of the elevator.

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 6/11/2003 5:04:59 AM   
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That helps. I see what you mean about the pivot point. The kit cutter did not give me an elevator leading edge stock long enough to go from end to end on both elevators. Thought maybe they were supposed to stop at the outside hinge or something like that. Off the the hobby shop for another block of wood to complete the leading edge.

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 6/11/2003 6:41:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Tmoth, do you know what you're going to do about control throws on your SBD? The Bates plans show throws for the split flaps/brakes, but don't tell you anything for the ailerons, elevator or rudder.

I imagine they're quite conservative, but that's a relative term. Actually, I can get a good bit on elevator and rudder if I want it, but the construction design of the ailerons don't allow for much throw at all. It may be plenty for a scale warbird, but I've been flying 3D planes with rediculous throws, so everything else looks flat to me now.

I got started on my wing now. All framed up, top sheeted, control surfaces built, and working on the guts of it now. I bailed on the bellcrank system the plans had you use for split brakes/flaps. I'm going to go with 5 servos now. I just got started on the retracts... humbling experience!

http://www.renderwurx.com/rc/SBD/

I'm flying out to LA today on business, so while in town, I'm going to drive up to Chino and see their SBD-5 (a/c #39) at the museum. I can't wait!

Also, I've been talking on the phone extensively with some pilots & gunners of SBD's in the Pacific lately... including the pilot of 41 Sniper... 87-year-old RADM James "Jig dog" Ramage himself! I finally found him and have had a lot of great conversation regarding his experiences and my project. I also have been talking to the only SBD gunner to make "Ace"... Wayne Collee. Boy did he have some great stories to tell!

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 6/11/2003 7:43:59 PM   
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The Ziroli plans call for 1" up and 3/4" down on the ailerons. I couldn't find the specs on the rudder and elevator but I would say about 1" up & down on the elevator and maybe 1 1/2" R&L for the rudder. These are what I'm going with on the Ziroli, your's would probably be less. If you've been flying 3D and such you'll probably be surprised at the slow response in a giant scale warbird (to me that's one of the things taht makes them realistic). It's something you have to get used to.

Glad to hear of your progress, I'll have to check out your website. I haven't done much on my Dauntless lately. I've been finalizing the work on my old giant-scale Corsair after it's "accident" summer before last to get it ready to fly this season. Sounds like your conversations with those WW2 guys has been interesting.

See you at the MAPS show, hopefully we'll see a full-scale
Dauntless flying!

Jim

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 6/11/2003 7:44:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I must say. I'm new to flying (only 3.5 months) and on my third plan which is my first Warbird. This is why I got into the hobby; and hearing about your talking to the real men who flew what we build is somthing I never thought I'd get to do!

Neo,
Your website looks better than my companies - and I work for JP MorganChase so that means something.
Tmoth & Neo,
Thanks for the talk on all the detail. Makes me feel safer about venturing into the realm of customizing my plane.

Good luck with your birds

~Rm

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 6/11/2003 8:03:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tmoth and Neo, thanks for sharing these building posts!!

For those that haven't checked out NEO's site, it is top notch!!

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 6/11/2003 8:21:25 PM   
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Thanks for the input on the throws. The aileron differential will be a problem for mine. I had to use a Y-harness for my ailerons because I've used up all my channels (bomb drop used the last one). So, I can't use the radio to set up differential, and I'm using standard control horns on the surfaces (don't really think I can do it mechanically). Hopefully, it will still fly OK without differential.

That's right, the MAPS show is only a week and a half away! I'll do my best to make it. You've seen me on my web site, so if you recognize a fat little mustached guy drooling over the SBD, come up and say hey!

Sean,

Thanks for the kudos!

Neo

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Ziroli Dauntless Project - 6/11/2003 11:12:34 PM   
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You can get some aileron differential by offsetting the position of the servo wheel. Also, I don't think it will matter too much if you can't put in differential anyway.

Jim

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Dauntless - 6/12/2003 2:02:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Built a Z Dauntless about 3 yrs ago 44lbs full scale job Flew like a dream Flys like a big trainer Used flaps for takeoffs and landing John N

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