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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/9/2007 5:49 AM

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TRY HERE FOR TANKS /kits....
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LET US finalize this order please...

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/9/2007 10:44 PM

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Found good Panther kit fix parts from Impact USA and Daryl Turner.

Cool Panther decals at Backyard Armor though.

Wonder, when are the Panther decals ready for mailing?

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/10/2007 1:49 PM

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Hey porkchop, we need some closure here :P

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/10/2007 3:34 PM

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Why do people keep saying that the Tamiya Tiger I is going to be discontinued? It is their best selling tank.

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/10/2007 4:31 PM

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Why do people keep saying that the Tamiya Tiger I is going to be discontinued? It is their best selling tank.

The confusion (paste and cut): http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/category.php?sub-id=14000|33000

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/10/2007 5:08 PM

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Hi Everyone,
well yes it is true ...the Tamiya Tiger1 56010 kit is soon to be discontinued (it was the first full function kit ever)....Im going to get another kit next week!!!! wife dont know it yet...but im gonna

This is good info..comes from my "inside"connection at www.hlj.com who have been 110%correct about everything with Tamiya products...They our right down the street!!!!

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/10/2007 9:29 PM

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How is your Panther build going, any new photos?

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/11/2007 6:46 AM

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Hi Everyone,
well yes it is true ...the Tamiya Tiger1 56010 kit is soon to be discontinued (it was the first full function kit ever)....Im going to get another kit next week!!!! wife dont know it yet...but im gonna
This is good info..comes from my "inside"connection at www.hlj.com who have been 110%correct about everything with Tamiya products...They our right down the street!!!!

Why? Why would they discontinue it? It is beyond common sence!

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/11/2007 7:48 AM

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/11/2007 12:17 PM

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Well Im not sure why they would discontinue any of the big tank line,but they have,and will .The Tiger1 ff was the first and now the oldest kit ,I guess maybe if the sales drop below a certain point in doesnt pay for them to keep it in production.All Tamiya kits are done in a "limited" production run.If you dont have one yet ,now is the time to get one.If you wait till its discontinued then youll have to pay the "Rare Collectors"price that it will be for sale for.I have 2 already,with a 3rd on its way soon...I really love the kit.

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/11/2007 3:30 PM

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Hi,

Back to topic.

So, have you actually built your Tamiya Panther or are you a kit collector and or viral marketer for Tamiya?

If neither, why not post your Panther build images and explain how you solved the various Panther kit issues?

Thanks

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 1:01 AM

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pcomm1,
look back in the pages of this post (and added link)that you are adding to and you will see all my step by step construction photos of my Tamiya Panther, here is a link to the complete construction of the Tamiya Panther and my mostly Tamiya collection.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_5780423/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm (page 2 shows the airbrushed camo done)(also I have added the wire screen engine covers,after these pics were taken)

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4986780/anchors_4986780/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#4986780

my collection photos does not include the new additions of a Henlong PIII.,or my Tamiya Panther

the only issue i had with the Panther kit was the Drive sprockets ,and that was solved very easy in 10 minutes time by VERY SLIGHTLY filing down the inside width of the sprockets.VERY easy and works PERFECT.NO Spacers NEEDED

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 1:07 AM

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PPC:

What about the reported sloppy barrel recoil sleeve?

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 1:15 AM

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to be honest,until somebody "nit-picked" about it ,I didnt even notice it.If you ask me ..its fine..and works perfect.

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 3:16 AM

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to be honest,until somebody "nit-picked" about it ,I didnt even notice it.If you ask me ..its fine..and works perfect.

Dude, no offense, but there seems to be little honesty in your statements.

Absolutely, do not believe that you have a running Tamiya Panther rc kit build.

Even Tamiya USA admits to the Panther issues and has a design team reviewing the kit.

The tank will not run across anyones backyard until the problems are corrected.

I traded dozens of emails with DT, Impact and scratch builders this summer looking for ways to save my Tamiya Panther build and make it a runner.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, who has built the kit has had to deal with 3 new rc tank kit problem areas (all the old running issues remain):

1. Main Gun Barrel wobbles in the mantlet and ruins recoil and elevation functions
2. Tamiya Panther drive sprockets are 10 to 15 percent to big for the tracks to run over
3. Glacis plate fit, or actually lack of fit

It took all summer, but the after market has good fix parts now for the Panther issues.

My Panther setup, with the after market parts works great now (as well as my Sherman and Tiger IE), but at a significant
dollar cost.

That is real disappointing for a $600 Tamiya kit.

Visit: http://web.mac.com/ksoc/S.C.A.T./Tech_Corner/Tech_Corner.html

SCAT is the club that stages the tank demos at TamiyaCon.

Why not post photos of your Tamiya Panther build and explain how you skirted or fixed the mantlet, drive sprockets and glacis plate issues.

Again, let's see your build, PoisonPorkChop, but first finish your school homework.

Your link did send me to a fine model with pro paint, but does it function?

Your assembly photos seem pro communications designed; staged and viral marketing driven, rather than tech tip build oriented.

But let me know why I am completely wrong?

Thanks

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 4:13 AM

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ya know ,I have nothing to prove to you...its a finer runner,as are all my Tamiya kits...I cant help if you rush your builds..I take my time and follow the directions to the tee...my panthers gun recoils fine ,elevates fine and runs perfect and i didnt spend all the extra money to get it that way ..... you couldnt think of filing down the inside width of the sprockets for a nice fit on your own???...ca mon ...so whos really the fool??...do your homework. lets see your tamiya collection

I posted that build just so people who never seen the making of a Tamiya Tank kit can get an idea if its something they would like to build.

I have never had a single problem with ANY of my Tamiya Tanks Ever..Im 37 and have been building Tamiya RC offroad buggies and Tanks for over 20years,so ive done ALOT of homework..If fact I bet I forgot what you still have to learn with Tamiyas... believe what you want and stop spending so much time in Toys R Us..this Hobby is for the BIG BOYS.
This is the response you should expect when you draw First Blood.

I see your really making alot of friends here on the forum..also ...DUDE......NO Offense

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 4:39 AM

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Hi Kurt,
been a while

...did you get your Panther yet????

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 4:53 AM

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Hi Kurt,
been a while ...did you get your Panther yet????

yep...siting in closet waiting for my tracks and the sprokets...also i will build it during winter...

wolf...i am beginning to build the kyosho blizzard......i love this thing!

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 5:37 AM

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Ken:

Get me some close-ups of the body and post 'em... want to try and order the body parts from a guy on eBay, if they are worth it.

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 5:51 AM

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ya know ,I have nothing to prove to you...its a finer runner,as are all my Tamiya kits...I cant help if you rush your builds..I take my time and follow the directions to the tee...my panthers gun recoils fine ,elevates fine and runs perfect and i didnt spend all the extra money to get it that way ..... you couldnt think of filing down the inside width of the sprockets for a nice fit on your own???...ca mon ...so whos really the fool??...do your homework. lets see your tamiya collection

I posted that build just so people who never seen the making of a Tamiya Tank kit can get an idea if its something they would like to build.

I have never had a single problem with ANY of my Tamiya Tanks Ever..Im 37 and have been building Tamiya RC offroad buggies and Tanks for over 20years,so ive done ALOT of homework..If fact I bet I forgot what you still have to learn with Tamiyas... believe what you want and stop spending so much time in Toys R Us..this Hobby is for the BIG BOYS.
This is the response you should expect when you draw First Blood.

I see your really making alot of friends here on the forum..also ...DUDE......NO Offense

Hi,

Again, truth to the big boy. Try and stay point.

OK, how did you get your Panther to run? Explain, other than just following the instructions. Like what did you do about the giant hole in the mantlet? Adjusting the teeth does not work. That is a myth. My kit sprocket parts had no width fit issues. The drive sprockets are simply over sized and do not run with the OEM tracks.

And like at Kursk, the Panthers failed to perform at their East Coast battle day, see armor nuts.

Thank you for wanting to my view my Tamiya 1/16 tanks. Cool.

The Panther will be weathered over the fall and winter months. It uses a custom DT gearbox mount brace, DT metal elevation arm, DT barrel sleeve, Tamiya solid turret clutch gear, Impact sprocket guides, tracks, sprockets and muzzle break. Each part mentioned solves a running issue, except the muzzle break. Now it will run.

My Panther runs great now and has the durability, one hopes, to hang with SCAT and DAK tanks without breaking down.

Hey, I like all toy stores too, what is wrong with that?

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 6:01 AM

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Yup. KT stock idler setup does suck. Daryl Turner's idler upgrade fises this problem. I have had no problems since upgrading. Why the heck can't Tamiya recognize this and create their own fix for these problems.

Turret rotation sucks also. I have not yet fixed this problem.

Gun elevation unit also needs to be better with it's up and down end points.

While these are the best tanks available, for the price I would expect Tamiya to make improvements to the various kits as they go.

Personally, I would prefer a chunky, heavy tank with more metal and aluminum parts and a whole lot less plastic crap wih more powerful motors to haul the increased weight.

Despite my above complaints about my KT, it didn't stop me from ordering a Panther which should be here any day now. I paid $645.00 delivered. I also bought bearings for the wheels, all of Daryl Turner's upgrades, metal track set from Mato and a metal road wheel set from Mato but, I'm not sure if it will fit the Tamiya Panther. Does anyone know?

I plan to order some Tamiya gears to fix the turret rotation problems and maybe an Impact photo etched detailing set from axels-modelbau. I've placed a few orders with axels and got great service and value with each order.

Are there any other upgrades that I (or anyone else) should consider for the Panther? What about the side skirts? Did many late model Panther G's have them?

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 12:28 PM

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Still researching the Panther and don't know about skirts.

Tamiya needs to spend more time designing parts that work to improve there pretty good tank kits.

I think I am a reasonably good Tamiya customer, but after 4 years of playing with their tanks, I do have a few issues with the kits.

Issue:
It is one thing to purchase upgrade parts (cool) and it is a little different "to have to" design, make or purchase corrective parts (not cool) to fix a poorly engineered kit.

Below is a photo outline of the "basic" corrective parts needed to help the King Tiger run and the gear reduction units used to slow it down (mounted in a static to f/o Porsche Tiger II conversion).

1. Spring loaded idler return system
2. Gearbox mount brace
3. Gear reduction

The 1/16 Kubel is the practice weathering model for how my new Panther (Italy Service) build will be weathered this fall/winter. Ardennes Ambush camo is interesting, but will try something else.

WW, write more about the DMD glitches concerns going on now over at armor nuts.

Good enough should not be OK for Tamiya.

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 1:03 PM

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ok..first off you have some fine lookin Tanks....(I was gonna outbid everyone else for the sherman you have up for sale..but anyway)....I'm not here to flame anyone or start something with anyone.I love this hobby just like the rest of us here..But to be called a liar..was just uncalled for.Im glad your Panther runs the way you want it to...Im not saying any aftermarket parts arent good im just saying I didnt need any.
The sprocket thing is not a myth as you stated...I never said I didnt have, or the kit doesnt have any issues..it does...but easy to fix..alittle TLC.....for the sprockets ..they are not "oversized"but they are to narrow on the inside width between the halves of the drive teeth..just take each half of the spockets and "LIGHTLY' file the inside till the track and teeth flow together nicely.not a big deal.and a easy fix.

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 1:08 PM

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Hey PPC, I think its great you got your Panth running without having to buy extras, thats how I build too, half the fun for me is improving on the engineering myself. I also think its great some vendors provide insta-fixes but not everyone wants to take that route. If I get a Panther ( or if the Jagd Panth has the same woes ) I will be referring to your build.

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RE: Tamiya Panther ..On its WAY!!!!!!!! - 9/12/2007 1:14 PM

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ok..first off you have some fine lookin Tanks....(I was gonna outbid everyone else for the sherman you have up for sale..but anyway)....I'm not here to flame anyone or start something with anyone.I love this hobby just like the rest of us here..But to be called a liar..was just uncalled for.Im glad your Panther runs the way you want it to...Im not saying any aftermarket parts arent good im just saying I didnt need any.
The sprocket thing is not a myth as you stated...I never said I didnt have, or the kit doesnt have any issues..it does...but easy to fix..alittle TLC.....for the sprockets ..they are not "oversized"but they are to narrow on the inside width between the halves of the drive teeth..just take each half of the spockets and "LIGHTLY' file the inside till the track and teeth flow together nicely.not a big deal.and a easy fix.

Thank you for the sprocket tip, but I tried that. Even took the parts to the scratch builder who made the 1st Tamiya Pershing prototype model and we discovered that the spockets that came with the kit I had did not have a width issue. But the teeth pitch and spacing was off, and we concluded that the sprocket part was about 10 to 15 percent to big for the tracks. In email to China with the Impact people, their obvservations were about the same, but much more engineering oriented.

Anyway, you have a neat Panther and I happy to hear it works. Off to the toy store, any toy store. Only reason I work.

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