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Supercharger OR Twin Turbo


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Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/4/2007 7:08:13 AM   
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Been thinking about this idea for some time. I have a '06 dodge ram hemi 5.7L. I have the $$$$ and I'm planning on turning it into a 1,200 HP beast. Think the TT's will work with the engine and how many MPG's do you think I'll get if I go with this crazy idea?

By the way any of you guys have a SC or TT? Post pics.

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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/4/2007 12:42:32 PM   
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I don't know about miles per gallon, but you likely won't have to worry about power! That thing will scream

I'm a big believer in superchargers (the roots-type, nothing else) because of the instant power at almost any RPM. No need to get the revs up. I had a Mooneyham 12-71 on a built 351 Cleveland about 15 years ago, and the power was unbelievable on the drag strip. It eventually sent the lower end to the grave, though.

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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/4/2007 5:46:40 PM   
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Hey Reiko,

I bet that 351 Cleveland was fast. What ET's were your running? I kind of like roots type blowers but not centrifugal and twin screw types. The whine from centrifugal and twin screws really annoy me, but with the roots, the whole world knows you have power under that hood!

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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/4/2007 5:49:10 PM   
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You want 1200 HP, and are worried about MPG? I'd be more worried about how many feet the thing will go before breaking something in the drivetrain....... Followed shortly by the bottom end of the motor......

But, I agree that a root's blower would be the best way to go, but I'd start with more displacement. 1200 streetable hp is not gonna be easy even with a big block.......



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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/4/2007 8:10:16 PM   
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That was a heavy car, a '70 Mustang coupe. The quickest quarter was in the high 12s.

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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/5/2007 11:16:50 PM   
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You guys must all be old muscle car farts, the roots and the twin screw are almost the same thing, the only difference is the twin screw is way more efficient. the cintrifical supercharger is the most efficient super charger there is, while it may not make boost as low as the roots or twin screw, it will make much more in the top end and the power curve will be much more fun, not to mention the gas mileage is WAY better.
then you step up to turbo chargers, yeah, they don't boost hard in the bottom end, but your in a hemi pick up truck, you have to be easy on the gas in a launch anyways to keep traction, that tiny bit of lagg could actually help you get better ET's , now lets get into the technical stuff, you want high hp, you going to do internals in your truck? roots and twin screw style chargers suck up to 33% of your engine hp from the crank, that means if your crank shows 1000hp with a roots charger as the only means of boost the engine internals are actually seeing over 1300hp worth of pressure, that means more internal stress and way worse engine efficiency.
You want just efficiency, better mpg and more power get a single or dual turbo set up or centrifugal supercharger. You want to most psychotic truck you can build and be streetable with some efficiency left? do a compound supercharger and turbo, i have this set up on my 1.8liter integra, its got a twin screw charger and a gt35 turbo, it see's over 600hp with minimal lagg,
if i was to build that hemi i'd send the block and head out to get machined, sleved, new pistons rods crank whole deal, do the trans up too. then you get yourself a roots charger, a big one! the roots because it build pressure faster and will let pressure through it better than any other kind of super charger, and you get yourself 2 gt40 turbos, they are capable of about 700hp each. now normally that hemi would have trouble getting those 2 big turbos spinning, it would usually only see 1 turbo that big, but with the roots pushing though the motor and in turn through the exhaust you can spool those turbos real fast!!! really really fast!!! and 2x gt40 plus a roots will get you around 1500hp with some major good tunning.
you'd be looking at a **** load of money and if i had a hemi i'd sell it and buy a cummins and sup it up because the efficiency of a diesel makes gas look like a joke and you can get major power without engine internals and have crazy reliability, and like 22mpg. but thats just me i guess....

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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/6/2007 12:52:17 AM   
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You guys must all be old muscle car farts, the roots and the twin screw are almost the same thing, the only difference is the twin screw is way more efficient. the cintrifical supercharger is the most efficient super charger there is, while it may not make boost as low as the roots or twin screw, it will make much more in the top end and the power curve will be much more fun, not to mention the gas mileage is WAY better.
then you step up to turbo chargers, yeah, they don't boost hard in the bottom end, but your in a hemi pick up truck, you have to be easy on the gas in a launch anyways to keep traction, that tiny bit of lagg could actually help you get better ET's , now lets get into the technical stuff, you want high hp, you going to do internals in your truck? roots and twin screw style chargers suck up to 33% of your engine hp from the crank, that means if your crank shows 1000hp with a roots charger as the only means of boost the engine internals are actually seeing over 1300hp worth of pressure, that means more internal stress and way worse engine efficiency.
You want just efficiency, better mpg and more power get a single or dual turbo set up or centrifugal supercharger. You want to most psychotic truck you can build and be streetable with some efficiency left? do a compound supercharger and turbo, i have this set up on my 1.8liter integra, its got a twin screw charger and a gt35 turbo, it see's over 600hp with minimal lagg,
if i was to build that hemi i'd send the block and head out to get machined, sleved, new pistons rods crank whole deal, do the trans up too. then you get yourself a roots charger, a big one! the roots because it build pressure faster and will let pressure through it better than any other kind of super charger, and you get yourself 2 gt40 turbos, they are capable of about 700hp each. now normally that hemi would have trouble getting those 2 big turbos spinning, it would usually only see 1 turbo that big, but with the roots pushing though the motor and in turn through the exhaust you can spool those turbos real fast!!! really really fast!!! and 2x gt40 plus a roots will get you around 1500hp with some major good tunning.
you'd be looking at a **** load of money and if i had a hemi i'd sell it and buy a cummins and sup it up because the efficiency of a diesel makes gas look like a joke and you can get major power without engine internals and have crazy reliability, and like 22mpg. but thats just me i guess....



Spoken like a true ricer........

I am making over 550 hp/600 ft lbs at under 6000 rpm with no power adders whatsoever...... on pump gas and no computer. True, I only get 17mpg at 80mph, but I can pay for a lot of gas by not having to pay for a turbo or supercharger....

Yes, I am a "musclecar fart"..... There is no replacement for displacement.... proven on a weekly basis at the track......

I mean, if you want power, why start with half an engine?


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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/6/2007 3:07:47 AM   
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Spoken like a true ricer........

I am making over 550 hp/600 ft lbs at under 6000 rpm with no power adders whatsoever...... on pump gas and no computer. True, I only get 17mpg at 80mph, but I can pay for a lot of gas by not having to pay for a turbo or supercharger....

Yes, I am a "musclecar fart"..... There is no replacement for displacement.... proven on a weekly basis at the track......

I mean, if you want power, why start with half an engine?


Spoken like a true old muscle car fart, can you even read past the first line or can you not find your glasses? I work on, and spend my time around cars of every make and model, there are pro's and cons to each.

If you want to go fast why star with a car that weighs 3500lbs? my 4 door integra weighs in at under 2300lbs with the cage and full interior and runs a high 10, and gets around 25mpg

Is all that you read my first sentence? I have many cars, V8's, 4 cylinders, diesels, street bikes. I never dissed on displacement, if you understand how an engine works you understand how displacement is important. But what i said was V8's have tons of torque already and a turbo will make more hp. Turbo's are much more efficient.
I had a dodge cummins with around 600hp and 1100ft lbs, and it got close to 23mpg. Turbos add efficency, owning a turbo does NOT make you a ricer, ask any diesel mechanic about how great turbos are.

also I went ahead and did some research for you, Lasik eye surgery. they've made vast improvement in eye care. Even if this is the first time you couldn't find your glasses im sure it will happen much more redilly in the near future, you might want to start saving your social security checks and get that done up real fast buddy.

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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/6/2007 4:57:24 AM   
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i would normally stay out of arguments when they are already happening, but i must agree with rideicon on the roots + turbo idea... at low rpms the roots work with high efficiency , at high rpms the turbo takes over...

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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/6/2007 5:26:49 AM   
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Roots plus turbo is a good idea.......

How about some pics of the 10 second Integra? Or even a time slip?


Just call me O.M.F. I've been called worse and it has a nice ring to it........




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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/6/2007 10:46:42 AM   
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engine is apart right now, but i have pics of the car, click here just got the cage done and started on the body work
just because i own an integra and know alot about engine efficency DOES NOT MEAN im a ricer....
ricers are fags with body kits and single cam hatch backs with nothing done but the muffler cut off...

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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/6/2007 10:48:44 AM   
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but mines not a real roots, its a jackson racing supercharger which is a twin screw variant, more efficiency if use alone but a roots would have been better in my set up. they just don't have one for my application. the cars going to be sold once the body work is finished, i'm building a 6 door f-650

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RE: Supercharger OR Twin Turbo - 4/6/2007 10:56:19 AM   
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http://www.forcedairtech.com has been building Suburu Sti's with superchargers and turbos and claim the compound set up to be way better than the twin turbo set up and the owner of the company actually has an sti with a twin screw charger and two gt30 turbos!

thats a 2.5 liter with almost 900hp!

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