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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/24/2007 6:31:50 AM

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Latest news about this in USRA is that a demo race may happen, and there is a chance that a class could arise. Talks on the usra forum indicate pros and cons and the current prez and board members are certainly looking at this, but dont look for a class soon.
keep in mind that an ARF version will certainly draw many new racers, but with all them comes many new challenges, extra safety concerns, longer race days etc...

It is a beauty and will spark interest in Pylon racing at some level for sure.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/24/2007 11:56:10 AM

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IF you have trouble with you flyin skills, pick up a good flight sim like the new G3.5 Realflight sim... You can practice everything and anything you want. I picked one up last spring and I can say that I am now a flying ace! No kidding! They are that helpfull. You will beable to rocket around, due some pylon, pattern or 3d! You will be doing rolling circles and harrier rolls 4 feet off the deck in no time flat...

I am very thankfull I picked one up..... I have complete confidence when flying my h( funtana 100X, and able to anything I want to do now when I actuall y get the time to fly! NO kidding!

Good luck, let us know what you do! If you practice alot now, you will be ready..... for the sundowner when it is relaesed in June.... I beleave in theis sim that much...

I was given the catact of Steve Kaluf who works within the AMA formula 1. ANyone know who this is?

Justin

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/25/2007 1:33:53 AM

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i wonder what engine besides the evolution would work.My friend has BCMA.40 he wants to sell but i dont know if it will work.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/25/2007 4:00:32 PM

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I think the main cinsideration is cowl/hacking or lack of it. The evolution 26 and 35 are cast in a standard glow engine frame that fits very fondly w/in this cowl. I think that most of the other gas engines are going to be too wide and square. I also beleave that even the RCS Roto engine will not fit well either becase a hole in the firewall may interupt the placement of the gas tank (it has a rear carb). I think that the spe or any other gas engine will have the carb and mufler sticking out of the cowling. This is not very slipstream inducive. Who really knows though, these are all just speculations right now

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/28/2007 4:12:15 AM

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Hi Mike

Can you please tell me what you think of a Moki 2.10 for this plane?

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/28/2007 12:30:49 PM

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Mike,

Looks good should be a great event!! What are the thoughts on all the models being the same in regards to scheme?

Dan

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/30/2007 1:53:10 AM

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I have seen several of these 120 size Sig Extras flying and holding up just fine with various 50cc gassers. Just strengthen the right areas

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 5/8/2007 1:12:38 PM

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TOwer has the Minnow for 185-30$ that is 165 shiped!!!
I will get that for practice intime to the Sundowner!!!

These are just pict of the plane Not mine!

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 5/12/2007 12:35:45 PM

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Hi Mike
Can you please tell me what you think of a Moki 2.10 for this plane?
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Well, If i can't get a 50cc gasser stuffed in this thing, I'm doing the Moki just for the heck of it. Already have a BGX and it's a good engine also.

If you notice in the photos, how perfectly the bottom side of the cowl is cut around the pipes and side of muffler. So much for their idea of cooling!

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 5/13/2007 4:48:55 PM

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I ordered this plane as my first gasser. Some members on my clubs website are concerned this plane will have a real tendency to snap out suddenly. Anyone have any input as to whether this will be true or not?

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 5/14/2007 6:20:49 AM

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Moki!!
Yeah like a 2.10? Or more.
I first thought that I would for sure get this plane, but right now I have a 50cc p-51 mustang that I will be maidened in few weeks. I would think that that would be more exciting of a plane to fly.
I then thought of placing a ZDZ 40F3a (same weight as a 26cc gasser) in it and thought that I would have to put in the fat and overweight evolution 35cc gas if I would ever plan to race this in the giant scale profesional. But then it dawned on me.. There is no way I am going to spend 150$ on a entry fee just to race around for 15min and go home. Forget that. The average clubber will not spend that kind of cash on a bird, so the odds are, I will not find anyone else to race against anyway. I guess I'am trying to say is this.
I will see how the mustang and the Minnow go. If theydo not satify the speedy gonzalas in me, I will then pick up this plane and stick in the zdz 40f3a and put on a tuned pipe and see if I can break the 160MPH barrier. Now that would be fun!!

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 5/14/2007 8:18:45 AM

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I would say not. What are they basing this on, the look of the wing?

We race models of this nature, some with scarier looking wing planforms, turn them extremely hard and they don't 'snap out'. Set the CG and elevator throws accordingly and there'll be no problem.

Craig.

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I ordered this plane as my first gasser. Some members on my clubs website are concerned this plane will have a real tendency to snap out suddenly. Anyone have any input as to whether this will be true or not?

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 5/19/2007 5:56:20 AM

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Well I don't think I will be doing any big racing events so the class heavy 35cc is out the window!

I will put in the light wieght, and powerfull ZDZ 40F3A and give it full throttle and have some fun....

A 40cc with the weight of a 26cc gasser? Yep, a match made in heaven.

Wonder what speed I could get it to running flat out, flat out? no dive?

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 5/19/2007 5:19:50 PM

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It might be a little faster but I don't think it's going to set the world on fire. Remember you need four times the power to double the speed, so even if your ZDZ has double the power (doubtful), you'll barely be 20% faster. Airframe drag is the killer as you increase speed, and that's not going to change.

Enjoy the model for what it is, there is plenty of other stuff out there if you want to go fast for the sake of speed alone.

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Well I don't think I will be doing any big racing events so the class heavy 35cc is out the window!

I will put in the light wieght, and powerfull ZDZ 40F3A and give it full throttle and have some fun....

A 40cc with the weight of a 26cc gasser? Yep, a match made in heaven.

Wonder what speed I could get it to running flat out, flat out? no dive?

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 5/19/2007 5:37:58 PM

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I loked at what some of the AMA giant scale racers cost and they are at least double the cost of this plane.
I just need to find out what pitch prop I should put on the p-51 DA 50 to get that moving....? I will have to post on the mustang forum I guess.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 5/19/2007 9:08:28 PM

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You're going to have similar issues with the P-51, and the DA50 is going to be limited when running on gas. To get larger models going really fast it takes several things, a light, clean airframe, and tons of power. The giant scale race guys get their power by converting the engines to alcohol, no carburetors, and run them hard with high pitch props. The disadvantage is that to get to this point the model loses some practicality and is not much of a sport flyer.

A Quickie 500 or Q40 model will go crazy fast for a lot less money.

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I loked at what some of the AMA giant scale racers cost and they are at least double the cost of this plane.
I just need to find out what pitch prop I should put on the p-51 DA 50 to get that moving....? I will have to post on the mustang forum I guess.

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