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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/1/2007 10:20:31 PM   
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What are the favored prop makers for pylon racing. I'll be using a piped Evolution 26GT in the Hanger 9 Sundowner. I think the sweet spot for that engine...piped...is around 8500 to 9000rpm. If I go with a shorter prop I'm thinking more pitch as well. Are there any specific manufacturers that are preferred? Any I should avoid. I've used APC and Master Airscrew for my sport flying. This is my first application specific plane.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/2/2007 6:03:20 AM   
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I think the Zenoah is good for slow flying biplanes and warbirds (yes I know they are put in the big warbird racers, but hence my warbird comment) They are too heavy and carb sticks out too far for this skimpy cowl.
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Well If I decide on this, I am avoiding it all and going for the 50cc area of a BME or Zenoah. Looks like a darn nice plane, may as well have darn nice power.



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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/13/2007 5:17:06 PM   
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Hey Everybody....

I'm working on the provisional rules package for the Sundowner F-1 Lite class for the USRA. It will end up on the usrainfo.org site, but I will make sure to post them here as well.

What everybody has said so far is fairly accurate. It will be a stock Sundowner kit with no mods allowed. The stock/unmodified Evolution 35 will be the power plant with a mandatory spec muffler coming from Horizon. This is a gas burning engine on ignition, and the fuel and prop will be supplied. I can't give you the prop info yet, but it will be a stock APC product, most likely the 15x12 that Mike Mc mentioned. Minimum weight will be about 14.5 lbs which is easily achievable with conventional radio gear and nicd/nimh batteries.

You can recover the airplane for a different paint scheme, and that will be encouraged. The kit most likely will not be available in a ready to cover version, nor will an all white version be available. Since many of the kits that end up racing will be in the stock color scheme, we are planning on using some aspects of the Quickee 500 and Q40 ID system with the different colored stickers on the high wing, low wing.

In the above configuration, which is what Mike Mc flew at Rantoul, the airplane is about the same speed as the Dominators (125 mph approx). The promoters of the Ohio (August) and Parker (October) races plan on offering the class this year, so get your kits on order and don't miss out. This class will be a USRA class, so you will need to be an AMA and USRA member...But, it is likely that the entry fee for the first event that you enter will include the USRA membership fee... The entry fee will be in the neighborhood of $50-$70.

Hope we get to see some of you come out and race. Let us know here if you plan on coming so we can properly plan the event. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask them here and I'll get to them asap.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/16/2007 3:00:54 AM   
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From what I have been told by the USRA racxers is that there are a bunch of guys getting these for the last Giant Scale race of 2007 in Parker, Az.

Talks of Ohio are even encouraging for a high entry race class.

These will be $1000 planes when done, but the Giant Scale F1 planes are much more and harder to get.
Someone mentioned they were twice as much- but in reality they are 3 to 4 times as much.

This will be a great boost for Pylon racing.
Now if we can get a GR7 in this size we will have a race!!!!

Race101

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/17/2007 2:28:21 AM   
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If it weren't the weekend, I'd call myself...but has anyone heard of the expected delivery date for the Sundowner? I pre-ordered one. It was originally mid-June, but I see it now says late June. Does anybody know for sure?

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/18/2007 2:27:02 PM   
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At rantoul, Mike Mc stated they would start shipping in 2 weeks. so my best guess would be next week june 25.


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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/20/2007 3:34:12 PM   
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At rantoul, Mike Mc stated they would start shipping in 2 weeks. so my best guess would be next week june 25.


Bobby S

Picked mine up at LHS Monday. Weights and first impressions are up on ARF/RTF thread. Probably going to go with the Evo 26GT. Bill Brundle from Horizon chimed in on discussion there and made some statements on the 26 vs 35 engines there. This plane looks fantastic on the bench!

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/20/2007 8:38:38 PM   
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got mine on 6-18-07 going with the 35 but dont no what servos this is my first speed plane and dont no how much servo holding i need any help. THE RUNNER

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/20/2007 10:23:33 PM   
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Reincarnate....

Not sure if you've thought about racing the airplane with us at the USRA events, (www.usrainfo.org) but we'll be specifying the Evolution 35GT in our rules. If you're gonna come race with us, that will be the only engine allowed.


69 Roadrunner...

Mikey Mac had standard DS821 servos in his racer that put out 72oz of torque. The USRA rules will specify servos with a minimum of 69.5 oz of torque for flight control surfaces. Anything equal to or above those numbers will be plenty.


Let me know if you need any more info.

KennyMac

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/20/2007 11:04:34 PM   
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Ok everybody.....these are very PRELIMINARY....but here's the first draft on the new rules for the Sundowner class. We're still trying to nail down the details on the muffler, so stay tuned. You can get more info on Giant Scale racing and the USRA at www.usrainfo.org
The racing schedule is also up there, and the Sundowner class will be offered at the final two events this year in August at Ohio, and in October at Arizona/California.

Here's what we have so far, and let me know if you have any questions.


12 USRA Provisional Class: Hangar9 Sundowner F-1Lite Class
12.1 INTENT
To provide a low cost “entry level” Reno style F-1 racing event for all pilots. The Sundowner/F-1 Lite class is intended to provide a less expensive means of introducing “new “racers to giant scale racing and to increase membership in the USRA. Initially, The specifications have been developed to create a one plane and engine event that will provide a level playing field amongst the aircraft and place the competitive emphasis on flying and calling. Once a competitor has grown proficient in this class, they will be encouraged to move on to the Giant Scale USRA classes.
12.2 SPECIFICATIONS
12.2.1 GENERAL - All pertinent AMA / USRA safety rules apply. Servos operating all control surfaces must be of sufficient size with at least 69.5 in.oz. of torque. The battery capacity must be a minimum of 200 mah per servo. USRA engine safety cable is required.
12.2.2 AIRCRAFT – Hangar 9 Sundowner ARF kit with no modifications to the airframe. Model must be built according to manufacturer instructions including control linkages, tail wheel assembly, etc. Tape can be used to seal airframe gaps or openings. When in doubt, if the rules don’t say that you can do it, then you can’t.
12.2.3 ADDITIONAL AIRFRAME REQUIREMENTS
12.2.3.1 Landing Gear - Landing gear and wheel pants must be used unmodified as they come in the kit. Replacement wheels of the same diameter and width as the original units may be used. A cover may be fashioned to fill the space on the bottom of the fuselage where the landing gear mounts.
12.2.3.2 Spinner - Must be the diameter specified in the manual and of metal construction. No plastic allowed.
12.2.3.3 Covering – Covering may be removed and replaced with different color scheme to aid identification.
12.2.4 ENGINES – Evolution 35GT in stock configuration. No modification is permitted except for screws, spark plugs, prop washers and prop nuts that may come from any source. Carb must remain in stock configuration and the choke plate may not be removed.
12.2.5 Muffler – Muffler must be the stock production unit for the Evolution 35GT designed to fit in the Hangar 9 Sundowner kit. No modifications will be allowed.
12.2.6 Kill Switch – aircraft must have a manual emergency ignition kill switch (momentary push and hold pushbuttons are not permitted) visibly mounted on the exterior of the aircraft. Marking of the kill switch location is encouraged. All aircraft are required to use an on-board ignition kill switch operable from the transmitter, preferably operated by a dedicated servo. If a separate radio channel is not available the ignition switch servo may be slaved to throttle command via a "Y" harness however one servo cannot perform both functions.
12.2.7 Fuel Tank – May be any commercially available tank compatible for use with Gasoline. No bladder or bubble-less tanks. Fuel system must have provision for completely defueling aircraft prior to filling.
12.2.8 PROPELLER - APC 15x12 pattern propeller will be used and will be supplied by the race organizer. No modifications can be made to the prop. Shaft hole may be enlarged. If balancing is necessary, material can only be removed on the front side of one blade.

12.2.9 WEIGHT - Ready to fly dry weight should not be less than 14 lbs, 8oz.
12.2.10 FUEL - Provided by event organizer. A fueling station will be provided to de-fuel and re-fuel aircraft before they are staged for racing. The gasoline/oil mix will be 25:1 as specified in the USRA common rules for AT-6 and F-1GT classes.
12.2.11 RACE IDENTIFICATION - Racing identification will use brightly colored stickers on either the right or left wing panel. The participants will be divided into 5 groups each day and will place the appropriate sticker in the proper location on your aircraft. Each day these groups will be reassigned and the participants aircraft relabeled.
12.2.12 RACE COURSE - The standard 1600 ft. course is normally used for giant scale racing, however for smaller flying sites a 1200 or 1000 ft could be used. It is recommended that typical USRA race procedures be used. This information can be obtained via the USRA Internet site at www.usrainfo.org.




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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/21/2007 6:23:42 AM   
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That's great that you have that entry level class started...
Isn't the average entry fee 150$ per race for one plane??

I would love to race at the club level and get a entry fee to a more average joe fee! I was hyped when I first saw this plane and was going to go with the 35gt in it, but the entry fee alone has killed the deal!

I went and purchased a scale twin and a GP minnow and put a os 1.20 2-stroke on it and called it a done deal. Now I can fly for fun with the cesna twin and then race some club members witht the minnow when the chance arrises......

I am not trying to steal the thunder but I am not going to place a 1/3 the cost of a engine every time I go to race! Not unless I win the Lottery!!

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/21/2007 5:01:32 PM   
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Kochj,

The entry fee for our larger classes are in the $125 range, but the entry fee for the Sundowner class will be much less. The dollar amounts that I'm hearing are in the $50-$60 range. We currently have only 3 Giant Scale races every year, so hopefully that wouldn't break the bank.

KMac

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/21/2007 6:54:14 PM   
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I was in my LHS and saw a Sundowner. I pre-ordered one and I still haven't received it. A couple of days won't make a real diiference but it's a little disappointing just the same. Is that normal? I'm fairly new to the hobby so I haven't had to "order" a plane before.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 6/22/2007 2:13:20 AM   
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