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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/20/2007 2:23:11 PM

lipolad

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What is the quality like of the Sundancer Kit in the USA.I have just taken delivery of one in the UK and have arranged to send it back for a refund because of quality issues.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/20/2007 3:25:23 PM

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Ours was as good as any other higher end ARF. The only complaint is the canopy/hatch does not fit well. What was the issue on yours?

Danny

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/20/2007 4:45:08 PM

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HEY GUYS DID YOU RACE THIS THING YET OR WAS IT A FLOP ANY CONCERNS WITH TAIL CRAKING OR WAS IT OK THE RUNNER

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/20/2007 5:29:32 PM

lipolad

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Problems were as you say canopy hatch poor fit,overhanging one side by 3 mm,Wing tube will not go into RH wing tube without extreme force,I think if it was forced in it would not come back out again, when LH wing fitted there is a 4 mm gap at wing root trailing edge, RH cowl blister has 4 mm gap between itself and fuse side,sighting along fuse bottom has very bad starved horse look about it, finish under covering especially on wings show poor preperation with cap strip to sheeting joins sticking up.When cowling fitted there is a 10 mm gap between cowl side and mounting block.It is hard to believe this is a Hangar 9 model, it looks just like a bad rip off. A real shame as I waited a long time for this model to show up. I have Emailed Horizon to inform them of the problems but my mail bounced back.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/20/2007 7:06:14 PM

PHall

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Flew my Sundowner/26 combo. The plane cuts the air with superior ease and with precise control. You point and it goes. Nice. The Evolution 26 and Bisson muffler turn an APC 15X10 8700rpm on the ground. By radar upwind was a solid 105mph and down wind 118mph. I do not care what a calculator says. These numbers match Mike's and both came from radar so believe what you want.

Take offs need to start slow with a steady increase in power. I can not punch and go with this one. Landings, as said, will require some runway and patience to wait for it to slow. If you need to abort a landing, power up, count to 3, and then start to gradually pull up. Acceleration is slow with this setup.

In summary, the 26 does not seem to turn up very well, however it does go 100mph. I am going to try some different exhausts which will probably conclude with an inverted engine and a tuned exhaust down the side. The plane just looks like it needs to go faster. I would probably go with the 35 if done again. As said, it is super smooth and it always flys fast.

For some of the others.......if this is your second plane, it won't be for long. Definitely get a seasoned pilot to take off and land for you. Even after that this thing cruises at 60-70 mph or it drops from the sky and it will tip stall in a heart beat. That is a big difference from a trainer. Just a little more advice to save you some headache and money.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/21/2007 3:54:27 AM

Rebellion

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Lipolad, mine is of similar quality, but in different areas. My wings were OK except for a bad aileron, but parts of the fuselage look like they were sanded with a brick. I had to have one aileron replaced due to being beveled so unevenly I couldn't sand it straight without removing an excessive amount of material. The plugs in the cowl popped loose easily and that's both on the original cowl and a spare I picked up. The cheek cowl on the fuselage popped off on one side, and the other side had a gap similiar to yours due to excessive glue. Also, I did a bit of glassing in the fuselage servo bay just for peace of mind after having seen one here at RCU that broke the tail section off in flight. Overall, H9 needs to have a talk with their QC department on this one.

The good news is, the Bisson muffler for the Moki 210 arrived today.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/21/2007 6:30:25 PM

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Rebellion, Can you please take some pictures of the moki/bisson with and without cowling. I haven't received mine yet and I would like to see what yours looks like before I mount mine. I am using the Moki 1.8 Gasser, which uses same muffler.

Thanks,
RACoooper3

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/21/2007 6:43:59 PM

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I too have noticed that some of the fit and finish of this plane was not what I expected for $400 from H9. My cowl cheeks were separated and from cowl. Looking at it the curve of cutout was not the same and it left gaps when glued together. The wood frame on the inside of cowl was also un-glued on one side, with a chip

in the cub yellow paint on the edge. What scares

the heck out of me is what on the inside was not glued properly. I saw pics of one guy's Sundowner whereby some of the bulkheads in nose of plane came out of plane. Does anybody have a recommendation for dripping a bunch of CA on any joints that can be reached? I am seriously considering a light glassing job on rear servo compartment as Balsafire suggested. I was going to put some upgrades into this plane to make it lighter, but now I don't know if I'll do that until I get 10-20 flights out of it. Thanks for the tip on the CG at 3"-3 1/8". I cannot wait

to fly this, although my club president is more excited than I am.

RACooper3

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/21/2007 9:04:29 PM

Rebellion

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Rebellion, Can you please take some pictures of the moki/bisson with and without cowling. I haven't received mine yet and I would like to see what yours looks like before I mount mine. I am using the Moki 1.8 Gasser, which uses same muffler.

Thanks,
RACoooper3

I'm waiting on the spinner to come in from TruTurn before I mount the engine since I want to make sure everything is lined up just right before I start cutting the cowl but I'll take a few pics of the muffler by itself and bolted on the engine for you later this evening. I realize it's not all you need but maybe it'll give you some idea.

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. Does anybody have a recommendation for dripping a bunch of CA on any joints that can be reached?

I ran thin C/A into just about every joint in the fuselage, and a good bit of medium C/A where I could reach. It might not help all that much but the couple of ounces I added won't hurt that much either.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/22/2007 1:32:32 AM

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As promised, here are a few pics. One thing I'm curious about, I noticed that the exhaust opening on the muffler is narrower than the exhaust port on the engine. Measured, it's almost exactly 1/8" narrower. That seems like it would rob performance a bit, or am I missing something? Also, no gasket was included. No big deal, but be aware you'll have to make your own.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/22/2007 4:20:15 AM

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Rebellion,
Thanks for the engine and muffler pictures. It helps to have a visual for how big muffler is relative to the engine. Have you sent a note to Jim (Bisson), asking about the smaller opening for the Moki 2.10 version of his muffler? I was told that the 1.80 and 2.10 were identical except for stroke and bore (internals). Perhaps Jim can make that opening bigger on the manifold section. If not, I might have a machine shop do it for me. I don't believe that exhaust should be restricted there. Moki, has obviously perfected their engine and I can't imagine them recommending a smaller opening on the exhaust manifold. The only other thing that looks a bit unusual is the long tubes out of the large part of the muffler. I guess they need to clear the bottom of the cowling, but I saw them on a EVO 35 and it looks a bit long. I am going to ask some of my senior club members about that possible issue. Since Jim obviously did a bunch of custom work putting this one together so quickly, I would still buy it and make the mods myself if needed. Perhaps he can correct it before he makes too many for the Moki 1.8 and 2.1 engine. I don't sweat the gasket issue. I have had to make my own in the past. Some mufflers fit the engine so well they don't need a gasket.

Can't wait to see the plane finished.

RACooper3

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/22/2007 4:33:11 AM

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Yes, I sent Jim an e-mail tonight. I don't like the looks of the opening either, but I'll see what he has to say first and take it from there.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/22/2007 7:48:25 AM

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Well I bought the SUNDOWNER FORMULA 1 by Hanger 9 and im in the process of putting it together. I bought the Evolution 35GT Gas engine for it with the wrap around muffler. So I have installed the engine on the mounts but im having trouble connecting the spark plug wire to the plug it just wont fit it seems. Plus where does that wire go with a small metal loop on the end of it thats connected to the cable that plugs into the spark plug. Im a newby guys I have gone from a trainer to the SUNDOWNER and I have yet to fly solo with my trainer. The instructions that came with my new EVO 35GT are not beginner friendly thats for sure.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 8/22/2007 1:44:21 PM

CRG

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Martin, the wire you're referring to is the ignition ground lead, mount the terminal under one of the engine attach bolts. Won't run without it. The spark plug cap is a pretty snug fit, it should snap on with firm pressure.

Craig.

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Well I bought the SUNDOWNER FORMULA 1 by Hanger 9 and im in the process of putting it together. I bought the Evolution 35GT