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Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/12/2007 3:18:21 PM

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Hanger 9 has a new arf racer, Sundowner called the Sundowner. I've heard through some sources they are going to make this a class of racing at USRA events. Does anyone know anything about this? I'm guessing if it is the case, it would be a stock class. All running the Evo 35, probably.

RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/12/2007 5:16:22 PM

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I have no idea about your question, but the arf sure looks nice.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/12/2007 11:48:53 PM

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this look very nice to me
i'm thinking of getting into pylon rc and this looks like a good start.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/13/2007 2:02:35 AM

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I have been looking for a plane like this.
If there was a racing class that had this plane with the 26gt gasser, count me in!
What fun it would be. Although the plane is little on the spendy side it would be a heck of fun!

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/13/2007 2:07:23 AM

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Looks like a custom muffler for the evo 26gt is included?
Didn't see it in the part listing as option though?

How will I tell this airplane apart from all the the other racing planes though?

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/13/2007 10:30:19 AM

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I want to stick in my G-62 and set a new air speed record for straight-line course with an ARF! Is it possible with this plane?

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/13/2007 11:13:46 AM

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Bobzilla
You must know where to find a real formula 1 plane to put it in as I can tell by you animosity toward this plane not being able to put a G80 in it?
I for one don't care if this plane creates a racing class of it's own, as long as it promotes the thrill of air racing and fills up entry blanks that would have stayed empty it's all good! If it creates a market for pylon racing, other manufactures will want to get a piece to of the pie and follow suit. It's just my MHO though.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/13/2007 11:19:01 AM

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quote:

you animosity toward this plane

you miss-read me dude..I love this plane..i just wish I had an engine that would fit it..as I have a new G62 with no home.
I flew a speed plane last week and it was awesome..but the plane was so thin and fast..you almost lose it when coming straight at you
at near 100mph.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/13/2007 1:34:24 PM

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I wasn't upset, I definitely misread you though. I have never flown a dedicated formula/speed plane (like those with a g62 or 80 twin) but this plane would fill my need for speed. If a 35cc gt fits I wonder if a ZDZ 40 fia engine would fit, w/o cowl cutting? It's nice that you can get the 35gt up from the 26gt for only fifty more! You would think the 35gt would make it quicker?l
Or the RC showcase ROTO 35 VI may fit as well.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/13/2007 2:10:59 PM

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yeah..zdz...i have zdz50ng and it's a lite bugger..I know manufactures always understate the engines that an ARF can take, and if so
this plane with an 80" wingspan..should be capable. I had 50cc gas in my patty wagstaff and it is only 78"ws. I just wonder if the
plane is built strong enough to support a much larger engine than suggested...it will interesting to see what the general RC'er
does with it! By the way..we had a fellow with an evolution 26 at our field in a large cub and I was not overly impressed with it's power.
My old g-26 (nitro version) had more zippo!!

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/13/2007 4:37:17 PM

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I have had experience with the evolution 26gt gasser. I actually tried it on a Funtana 100X w/ the tuned pipe. Well it turned out to be too heavy for my flying style so I yanked it and put in an OS 120 AX nitro. The 26cc GT had plenty of power for the 11lb plane, (more than the 120 AX) but that was with a Tuned pipe. I wasn’t able to compare the pipe vs./ UN piped but pier has got a web page with huge data on these engines. He is in the Netherlands and His Evolution engines are under the name of MVVS and have a red head on the 25, 36 gut’s. One heck of a good guy!
http://www.mvvs.nl/
1451 g for the 35 roto, and 1493 w/ the evolution 35. Close in weight, not sure about the performance comparison. I don't think that the evo 35gt is a big seller (because it is a odd engine size and it is in the heavy side) so I am not sure what kind of rpm's one is getting out of them?

I don't have a whole lot of experience with gas engines (although I am assembling a 1oo DA in a cap 580, 40zdz in a GP Hawk bi-plane, and a DA 50 in a TF giant p-51 mustang. All of which are going to be completed in the next month or so. ) Will the cowling example be enough air for continuous sport flying, w/o overheating? Looks Quit tight in there and not that big of an air exit, for the picts anyway. Perhaps the cowl is really larger in real life an than exit hole is larger than I think (just like the pig spotters say on them)

With so many airplanes to out together and little time, if the 35gt fits great w/o modification to the cowl (keep plane nice and smooth, to minimize drag. Rather than an oversized 50 hanging out the cowl I will go with the 35gt. There is nothing like taking a plane and putting everything together w/o any frustrating moments and countless hours of wasting by molding the engine bay in a plane.

I am not sure what other formula planes cost in this engine size. I don't think there is even an ARF out there available to the masses that I am aware. If this plane catches on, there will be lots of folks modifying the evo 35gt engines to make them go faster and less weight. It should be very interesting.
Cheers
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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/14/2007 4:44:29 AM

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They still need to get the little toni / alley cat class going. So many toys, so little money.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/14/2007 11:34:15 PM

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If and when a race organization incorporates this model as a specific class, expect it to be in stock form and modification of airframe and engine would be extremely limited if allowed at all. Most likely they would specify and provide prop and fuel also, similar to the USRA F1GT class.

Though I imagine altering the color scheme would be highly encouraged.....

Looks like a nice model all around, I'll be getting one for sport flying and will race it if the opportunity arises. Would be nice if it works out that local clubs put on races also, rather than just the USRA.

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I have had experience with the evolution 26gt gasser. I actually tried it on a Funtana 100X w/ the tuned pipe. Well it turned out to be too heavy for my flying style so I yanked it and put in an OS 120 AX nitro. The 26cc GT had plenty of power for the 11lb plane, (more than the 120 AX) but that was with a Tuned pipe. I wasn’t able to compare the pipe vs./ UN piped but pier has got a web page with huge data on these engines. He is in the Netherlands and His Evolution engines are under the name of MVVS and have a red head on the 25, 36 gut’s. One heck of a good guy!
http://www.mvvs.nl/
1451 g for the 35 roto, and 1493 w/ the evolution 35. Close in weight, not sure about the performance comparison. I don't think that the evo 35gt is a big seller (because it is a odd engine size and it is in the heavy side) so I am not sure what kind of rpm's one is getting out of them?

I don't have a whole lot of experience with gas engines (although I am assembling a 1oo DA in a cap 580, 40zdz in a GP Hawk bi-plane, and a DA 50 in a TF giant p-51 mustang. All of which are going to be completed in the next month or so. ) Will the cowling example be enough air for continuous sport flying, w/o overheating? Looks Quit tight in there and not that big of an air exit, for the picts anyway. Perhaps the cowl is really larger in real life an than exit hole is larger than I think (just like the pig spotters say on them)

With so many airplanes to out together and little time, if the 35gt fits great w/o modification to the cowl (keep plane nice and smooth, to minimize drag. Rather than an oversized 50 hanging out the cowl I will go with the 35gt. There is nothing like taking a plane and putting everything together w/o any frustrating moments and countless hours of wasting by molding the engine bay in a plane.

I am not sure what other formula planes cost in this engine size. I don't think there is even an ARF out there available to the masses that I am aware. If this plane catches on, there will be lots of folks modifying the evo 35gt engines to make them go faster and less weight. It should be very interesting.
Cheers
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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/16/2007 7:04:04 PM

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You're correct. There would have to be no modifing of the engines. I looked into what the USRA costs. WOW. Can you say 125$ just to enter a race! That would kill the class before it even started!
I do agree that a class that would use current ARF model racers from certain companies would be great, I believe though right now you have a clash between the new crop of fliers that put ARF's on their table and then there are the folks that believe that only kits and stick building is the only way to put together a racing plane. If you looks at other racing events, like Nascar, and the rc car scene they all include a cheap speck class. But there is a big difference in the cost to enter one of these compared to a air race event. Nascar is neat in that it started with cars that where taken off the dealers floors and taken to the track. It would be really cool to see this happen between the ARF manuafactures in the competing to produce a competative ARF in the class sizes of .46, and the .90 class and then the 26cc gas class. I am sure there are many folks that would love to take there toni series GP Minnow and Toni sport pylon racer out and get down and dirty, turning left!
Perhaps we could start a organization of Governing body right here and now?

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/16/2007 8:15:54 PM

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The Sundowner is a great flying model for just about everyone. It flies a lot lie a pattern model. Good aerobatics and sleek and fast. With a 26GT it is a great model and does about 105mph. A side use for the model is that the USRA is probably going to replace their entry level calss which is currently Doninators with this model using the 35GT. Its about 130mph with the 35GT turning an APC 15 x 12.
The G62 is way too big and the ZDZ40 is also too big. The 35Gt is the very top limiti for it, in fact is not racing it, its much better at over a pound less weight with the 26GT.

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RE: Sundowner from Hangar 9 - 4/16/2007 11:12:21 PM

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USRA needed a model like this that anyone can buy and fly about anywhere. Great job getting it going, Mike!

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