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Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/13/2007 6:00:25 AM   
dr_wogz



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Status: offline 		Our club, www.brossair.com, jsut outside Montreal Quebec, has received a letter form the CPTAQ (Quebec commission to protect agricultureal lands) becasue we are using "prime farm land" not for farming. So, we re being asked to "cease and disist".

Apparenly a few other clubs have gotten the letter too. There is a fight a brewin'!!! And our hobby could be squashed. One feild has apparenly already closed because of this.

I'm not up on teh French leagaleze, but the jist is that since we fly over the land, we are threfore using it. Despite the municipality has zones our imeadiate feild as 'hobby aerodrome' and that we have 100% support from the city of Brossard. And the farmer we share ourt land with is totally cool with it as well. I believe it is basically the Quebec governement litterlally applying the law.

We have been talking to a lawer, and he says we have a good case, seeing we've been there for 24 years, and we are backed by the city. But, we need to come up with $8K+ for his services. This is leavinga bad taste in the club members mouths, as we've been asked to help teh fund, and fork over about $200 each to help cover lawer fees.

Talk about a let down..






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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/13/2007 6:32:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		A government of goodwill would not want to mess over nitty gritties with his people. Maybe the mayor is more willing than the officials to consider the well-being of you guys and strike a balance?

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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/13/2007 6:35:55 AM   
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Status: online 		That has to be one of the stupidest things that I've ever heard of but not at all surprised that any government would come up with something that insane! Maybe they ought to convert parks, parking lots and any full-sized airport into farmland!
With their thinking, any aircraft flying over your property is trespassing and should be charged for using your airspace!
A farmer is the one who should decide whether that part of his land is arable and what crop can or can't be grown on it. He could tell them that he's a sod farmer in the area that you fly out of and what could they do?

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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/13/2007 12:22:30 PM   
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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/13/2007 12:25:07 PM   
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Status: online 		This totally stinks. I hate it when organizations pull crap like this. Here's a solution, build a model of a Ag wagon and make sure you put a scale spray system on it. This way you can say your field is there to provide agricultural services for the farmer!!!!

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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/13/2007 1:14:19 PM   
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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/13/2007 1:45:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dr_wogz

...So, we re being asked to "cease and disist".



Get together early Saturday morning in their neighborhoods. Take the pipes off your planes and "fly'em like you stole 'em". They'll get the idea and be glad to drop this nonsense.

Seriosly, I hope this all works out for you guys.


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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/13/2007 1:57:33 PM   
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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/14/2007 1:56:32 AM   
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RCKEN,

You put a big smile after your idea, but I think it seriously is a realistic way to solve this problem!

Those of you who are from Quebec probably all know about this place North of Trois-Rivière near Shawinigan where you can skate during the winter on the farm and on trails in the wooded portion of the farmland. It is a very popular tourist attraction and they apparently were going to be shut down by the same agricultural protection law. The owner, perhaps with ideas from his legal counsel. started to sell products of the land, agricultural products, in small quantities when you buy a ticket to go skating. You have no choice you must buy ( for a very reasonable amount) so many food products. Somehow, this makes this tourist attraction comply
to the letter of the law. And the place is thriving as I went there last Christmas for the first time in 6 years, and what an improvement in the facilities!

I am in business in Ontario, and I too encounter all sorts of laws that may have a good basis but are difficult to apply in the real world.
What disgust me the most is when bureaucrats have enough time to waste to apply such laws to the letter to the detriment of people who have no money to fight the stupidity in court.

So I say, fight the bull by the horns and organize radio control spray airplanes for farm pesticide control.

That is all the bureaucrats deserve.

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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/14/2007 4:40:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, we have the MAAC zone director looking into this.. There is apprently a fund for things like this. Problem is, that to help the few, all will likely have to pay..

We've apparenly sent a few appeals...

Yes, despite teh city of Brossard being behind us 100%, it is very doubtful they will help us in our fight; money wise.

As we see it, we might loose our feild. But..

The snowmobile trails will probably remain, as well as the ATV trails. (basically the same)
Hunters can still go after their game.
And if polution is the main reason.. Well, I'm sure the exhaust & dust from the local dirt road we're on, teh highway less then 2km away, and the above mentioned ski-doo & ATVs are then apparenly cleaner than our little .4ci engines..


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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/17/2007 1:16:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the US, we have to either put the land into CRP, which can be a red tape nightmare and has time limits, or show that we are adding "agricultural value" to the land.

What our club has done was to plant beans arond the field. Another club has planted christmas trees since pine trees stay short and take a long time to grow.

Look into some loopholes that might satisfy the beauraucrats. Who knows, maybe start a sod farm.

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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/17/2007 2:39:24 PM   
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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/18/2007 4:17:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		We were all talking about it over erh week-end.

it seesm the fact is that we are using the feild for non agricultural purposes (despite the fact we fly "over" teh land)

No, it seesm we are being asked to close, as this is a law that has been on the books for a very long time, and is finally being applied.

There is another field, about 5km down the road. And they want us to consolidate all into one feild, rather than a few. But then we end up with 300+ members and a worse feild, and get only a flight or two in.

There is also a rumour, that someone is sore. They wanted to start a club, or had an issue with their local one. They were one of "those types' of people". And since he was shot donw / brushed aside / not given the respect he expected, he went and complained to the gove'ment. So, the govment looked ito it, and is applying teh law to all. No ifs, ands, or buts.


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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/23/2007 2:28:35 PM   
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RE: Quebec to potientially loose many RC feilds - 4/25/2007 5:54:27 AM   
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