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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 5:30:55 PM   
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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 6:08:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Geistware

I wasn't there.
From the grass and the fact that he had little or no air speed, he could have landed it short of any obstacles.
Not sure why he just didn't drop the nose and land.
THE wind would have made it stop short.



From the first post...

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He was doing well, but if he had continued on his current path (into the headwind) he'd have likely hit one of the several parked vehicles. I started to tell him "Stay to your right" but figured that it would be best to not say anything and let him fly it. When he tried to bring it around and touch down on the runway is when he went from a headwind to a crosswind. At that point the plane stalled and fell from the sky.


He didn't drop the nose and land 'cause he felt it would be safer for those around him if he turned away.

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 7:05:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Glad to see you are proceeding with the rebuild right away. I normally let them sit a while due to my own frustration so you are the better man here. Are you going to recover it with the original scheme or something custom?

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 11:26:53 PM   
P47Tbolt


 

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Status: offline 		Staying with the same scheme.just the covering on the sides of the fuselage was damaged.Already
got the white monocote,red monocote and 5 sheets of 3/32X4X36 balsa to do the repairs.Had to order
the sapphire blue for the stripe.I already have the balsa to do the stringers.I was actually able to save all the stickers on the sides of the fuselage.So it will be back as the Patty Wagstaff scheme.I like the scheme.

Roy

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/16/2007 1:49:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I disagree,
If you look at the pictures and they way the runway is cut, unless he was going to fly behind him, there should not be any cars.
Now, there may be cars at the end of the runway. From the pictures you can't tell.
What I am saying is that from the pictures angle and how the grass is laying, he could have landed.
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ORIGINAL: JasonInAugusta


quote:

ORIGINAL: Geistware

I wasn't there.
From the grass and the fact that he had little or no air speed, he could have landed it short of any obstacles.
Not sure why he just didn't drop the nose and land.
THE wind would have made it stop short.



From the first post...

quote:

He was doing well, but if he had continued on his current path (into the headwind) he'd have likely hit one of the several parked vehicles. I started to tell him "Stay to your right" but figured that it would be best to not say anything and let him fly it. When he tried to bring it around and touch down on the runway is when he went from a headwind to a crosswind. At that point the plane stalled and fell from the sky.


He didn't drop the nose and land 'cause he felt it would be safer for those around him if he turned away.




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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/16/2007 2:29:25 AM   
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Status: online 		To quote Frank Barone... Holy crap, you've got to be kidding me. Here's a guy who has let his friend share his spectacular pics, and then logged in himself to show the rebuild status, and you want to argue with him about how he crashed?!?! And this from the moderator. I recently posted how the crash forum picked me back up after a low point in flying. Now I'm really disappointed again. Tbolt...Great plane, great attitude, and great awareness to protect others property around you. Good luck on the rebuild/remaiden. Jason...Keep that camera handy. You obviously have skills that are beyond modeling.

Whats right about this forum is marred by members who only seek to degrade and demean others. Look at the posts, laugh with those who laugh, commiserate with those that can't, and maybe even learn a thing or two during a rebuild.

Maybe there should be a "judge and jury" forum started if you really need to fault find and nitpick the crashers remarks.

"I disagree" indeed.

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/16/2007 3:10:16 AM   
JasonInAugusta


 

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ORIGINAL: Geistware

I disagree,
If you look at the pictures and they way the runway is cut, unless he was going to fly behind him, there should not be any cars.
Now, there may be cars at the end of the runway. From the pictures you can't tell.
What I am saying is that from the pictures angle and how the grass is laying, he could have landed.



Hilarious.

What cracks me up is that so many folks came into this thread and said "I wasn't there but..."

In my opinion, once reading "I wasn't there", everything that follows should be disregarded.

The ideas of elevator snap stall and such are pure speculation. With the elevator input Roy was giving he was safe...until he gave right rudder and intentionally flew the plane down the runway...into a crosswind...to keep from continuing on his current path. he did try to counter the stall with aileron inputs but when you have not airflow over the wing there's no point.

Here's a very crude map for those that weren't there. The black rectangles are parked vehicles, the smaller planes are in the pit area...which was populated with planes and people. The first location of the plane he was fine...airflow over both wings, etc. When he gave right rudder and pointed the plane down the runway is when he lost airflow over the right wing.

Like I said earlier...I started to tell him to "Stay to your right" but figured he had enough on his mind. In hindsight I wish I had told him to do so.




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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/16/2007 3:35:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		You guys are dorks. Armchair quarterbacks. I'm waiting on the NTSB report before I jump to any major conclusions. Oh, wait...it was a model...

Should be a good re-build project.

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/16/2007 11:29:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry about your losses.

I'll bet Patty is smiling all the way to the bank!

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/16/2007 12:13:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey,the plane is crashed.I will learn from this experience,not guys who were not there,saying I should have done this or that.
You were not there,I was.If you still want to argue about it,do it elsewhere,this is a crash and rebuild forum,not the
tips and techniques forum.If you try to argue with the armchair pilots,they will drag you down to their level and
beat you with experience.I am in the rebuild stage right now,when I get to the remaiden flight,I think I can handle it
fine.I have crashed other planes before this and it will happen again,part of flying.So just get over it.I did.

Roy



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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/16/2007 2:01:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: P47Tbolt

Hey,the plane is crashed.I will learn from this experience,not guys who were not there,saying I should have done this or that.
You were not there,I was.If you still want to argue about it,do it elsewhere,this is a crash and rebuild forum,not the
tips and techniques forum.If you try to argue with the armchair pilots,they will drag you down to their level and
beat you with experience.I am in the rebuild stage right now,when I get to the remaiden flight,I think I can handle it
fine.I have crashed other planes before this and it will happen again,part of flying.So just get over it.I did.

Roy



Okay, this is my fault. I started it. With the information given at the time of my first post I made my "SPECULATION" and yes that is all it was. It is fun to try and figure out what happened and peice it together with the information given. My intent was never to degrade or give tips to the pilot nor the guy that should be working for Sports Illustrated as a photographer. You will note that once my SPECULATION was corrected I did not press the issue. P47TBolt, I look forward to watching your rebuild and hopefully a report of it's remaidening in the future and I apologize if my SPECULATION offended you.
Respectfully, Mr67Stang

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/16/2007 2:16:20 PM   
JasonInAugusta


 

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ORIGINAL: Mr67Stang
My intent was never to degrade or give tips to the pilot nor the guy that should be working for Sports Illustrated as a photographer. Respectfully, Mr67Stang



Why thanks!

While I don't shoot images for Sports Illustrated, I do write/shoot images for Fly RC.

Here's a few more shots that you may enjoy.

I'll only post links due to the large image size of 1000 x 567.

http://projecttwin.com/files/fly/3.jpg
http://projecttwin.com/files/fly/4.jpg
http://projecttwin.com/files/fly/5.jpg
http://projecttwin.com/files/fly/6.jpg
http://projecttwin.com/files/fly/7.jpg
http://projecttwin.com/files/fly/8.jpg


BTW, you never offended either Roy or myself. We were just amazed how so many folks could say "I wasn't there but..."

So, no offense taken.



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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/16/2007 2:22:05 PM   
JasonInAugusta


 

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ORIGINAL: P47Tbolt


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ORIGINAL: cjposada

What is your camera setup like? WOW!!!!


How about a little sympathy for the pilot here.

We can discuss pics and cameras later.



How 'bout I smack you in the back of the head for putting the choke and smoke so close to one another?

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/16/2007 3:56:00 PM   
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