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Death of a Model Plane aka Patty Wagstaff - 4/14/2007 11:42:12 PM   
JasonInAugusta


 

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Status: offline 		Went flying with p47Tbolt today.

He was flying his big Patty Wagstaff, testing the new smoke system. I was snapping a few shots while he was flying. Got bored, stopped shooting.

Everything was going great until, for some reason, the engine shut off. First time it's ever let him down like that.

Roy calls out "Dead Stick!" and I swing the camera towards the plane and start shooting.

Pictures tell the story...























He was doing well, but if he had continued on his current path (into the headwind) he'd have likely hit one of the several parked vehicles. I started to tell him "Stay to your right" but figured that it would be best to not say anything and let him fly it. When he tried to bring it around and touch down on the runway is when he went from a headwind to a crosswind. At that point the plane stalled and fell from the sky.

Overall it was a clean break of the fuse. Aside from the damaged fuse and the bent wing tube, everything survived.

It'll be in the air again by the end of summer.

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 12:06:05 AM   
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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 12:26:31 AM   
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Status: online 		That is one of the most spectacular crash sequences I have ever seen. Horrible crash, brilliant result! Give my sympathies to the pilot.

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 12:42:28 AM   
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WOW!!!!


Agreed, those are REALLY nice pics...

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 12:44:08 AM   
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What is your camera setup like? WOW!!!!


Thanks!

Shots were taken with a Canon 20D and a Canon EF 75-300 f/4-5.6 II USM at 75mm.

Exposure was at 1/1000 second at f6.3, with a 400 ISO setting.

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 1:10:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course I was not there to see the curcumsances leading up to this catastrophe but by looking at these pictures tells me that this was an elevator induced snap stall. The pilot likely had other choices for a set down location (the tall grass on the far side of the feild) but felt he could make it back to the runway. The damage could have been significantly reduced. We are all guilty of cranial flagalence from time to time and I know how hard it is to let up on the elevator when things are going bad. Who has never done that. I bent a plane today due to reversed ailerons which is a lot more dumb then what your freind did here. So if he is frustrated, I understand. I am in no way trying to "flame" your freind here or call him stupid. It's a lot easier to think about what I should have done after the fact than what I should do now as it is happening. Been there, done that. Busted a few planes in the process. There is one of these Wagstaff's at my feild to so I know how nice it is, so I am glad to hear that it will be repaired and flying again. I hope the repairs go quickly for your freind.

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 1:29:15 AM   
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Of course I was not there to see the curcumsances leading up to this catastrophe but by looking at these pictures tells me that this was an elevator induced snap stall. The pilot likely had other choices for a set down location (the tall grass on the far side of the feild) but felt he could make it back to the runway. The damage could have been significantly reduced. We are all guilty of cranial flagalence from time to time and I know how hard it is to let up on the elevator when things are going bad. Who has never done that. I bent a plane today due to reversed ailerons which is a lot more dumb then what your freind did here. So if he is frustrated, I understand. I am in no way trying to "flame" your freind here or call him stupid. It's a lot easier to think about what I should have done after the fact than what I should do now as it is happening. Been there, done that. Busted a few planes in the process. There is one of these Wagstaff's at my feild to so I know how nice it is, so I am glad to hear that it will be repaired and flying again. I hope the repairs go quickly for your freind.


Did you read the thread?


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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 1:39:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dude you scared the hell out of me. When I read the death of Patty Wagstaff I thought you were talking about the real Patty. For a moment there I forgot I was reading a r/c crash forum. So sorry for the loss of you modle though.

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 1:44:14 AM   
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So how long was he crying for? No need for a transcript,I'm sure I know what he said......"Awwww SH** FU**DA**BIT**!!!" As bad as you feel for guys that crash these $2000-$7000 planes,in the back of your head when it's happening your like; please crash.....please crash.

Did not cry at all.I actually fueled up my 60 size Hanger 9 Ultra Stick
and flew the heck out of it.You really can't get upset/mad about it because sooner or later you WILL crash.It is part of flying,although not a good part of it.The plane will be rebuilt.If it comes out rebuilt ok,I will fly the heck out of it too.If not,I can get a fuselage for $140.00.Then I will fly the heck out of it also.I figured out why the plane engine shut off.Pilot error.I thought I had turn my smoke system switch off to land,but I actually flipped the choke switch.Therefore it shut the engine off.
I have the choke and smoke switches on left side of the radio(Futaba 9C).
Smoke switch is on top of radio,choke switch is on front of radio.After rebuild choke switch will be on right side of radio.9C radio lets you assign
switches to what you want.Yes,it upsets me I crashed/broke(whatever you call it)but I do not dwell on it.Pick up the "broken pieces" and move on(or in my case,rebuild).

Roy


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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 2:00:12 AM   
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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 2:15:01 AM   
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Of course I was not there to see the curcumsances leading up to this catastrophe but by looking at these pictures tells me that this was an elevator induced snap stall. The pilot likely had other choices for a set down location (the tall grass on the far side of the feild) but felt he could make it back to the runway. The damage could have been significantly reduced. We are all guilty of cranial flagalence from time to time and I know how hard it is to let up on the elevator when things are going bad. Who has never done that. I bent a plane today due to reversed ailerons which is a lot more dumb then what your freind did here. So if he is frustrated, I understand. I am in no way trying to "flame" your freind here or call him stupid. It's a lot easier to think about what I should have done after the fact than what I should do now as it is happening. Been there, done that. Busted a few planes in the process. There is one of these Wagstaff's at my feild to so I know how nice it is, so I am glad to hear that it will be repaired and flying again. I hope the repairs go quickly for your freind.


The plane had to much airspeed to set down in the tall grass and it is downhill(hard to see to avoid the few trees that are
down there.Had enough airspeed to get to runway,just not enough to turn into the wind(several gusts)and land.Yes I did have other choices,I made the wrong one.could have been worse,though.Very little elevator input,to much rudder input trying to get it to turn so I don't hit parked vehicles or people behind me.Yes I said I should have done this or that,but I did what I did.I would rather crash my plane than hit someone or damage their vehicle,so what I did was not wrong nor stupid.So I did not have cranial flagalence,I just used
my best judgement at that time in a bad situation.Although it was not good for me or my plane.Fuselage will be rebuilt,repair inside trailing edge of both wings,new wing tube(bent)and clean dirt out of engine and carb.She will fly again.

Roy





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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 2:20:53 AM   
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Dude you scared the hell out of me. When I read the death of Patty Wagstaff I thought you were talking about the real Patty. For a moment there I forgot I was reading a r/c crash forum. So sorry for the loss of you modle though.


Death of A Patty Wagstaff, not THE Patty Wagstaff.

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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 2:35:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BUDMAN27

Dude you scared the hell out of me. When I read the death of Patty Wagstaff I thought you were talking about the real Patty. For a moment there I forgot I was reading a r/c crash forum. So sorry for the loss of you modle though.


Death of A Patty Wagstaff, not THE Patty Wagstaff.


SHE IS NOT DEAD!!! just in intensive care right know.

we will rebuild.she will be better than before.she will be the 6,000,000 $ plane.




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RE: Death of a Patty Wagstaff - 4/15/2007 2:44:55 AM   
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What is your camera setup like? WOW!!!!


How about a little sympathy for the pilot here.

We can discuss pics and cameras later.

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