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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next from... - 12/18/2007 4:19:20 PM

Kmot

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You have not burst my bubble.

The Vogt kit is $779 Euros, or $1122 USD. Lets say another $200 (?) for shipping. ~$1322 or so. For a kit. Or $439 for an ARF. Or put another way, THREE RC Guys AgWagon ARF's for the price of one Vogt kit.

Yes, the Vogt is true scale. It would be so sweet to have one. However, the RC Guys ARF is a good looking stand-off scale model and I don't care so much that it is off a bit. Almost all ARF's are off a bit and I am not too bothered by this. It is just the way it is if you are an ARF'r versus a builder. I doubt that there is anyone who see the RC Guys model that would not be able to recognize it as an AgWagon.

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next fro... - 12/18/2007 5:26:40 PM

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My true scale kits or scratch builds hang from the shop ceiling and are mostly admired...and they do fly for airshows, club funflys and do mall show displays. Much time and money are spent on these. My ARF's, on the other hand, are flown continuously during the flying season and I wouldn't become suicidal if one went down as compared to a stick build. Consider: Baron, you're comparing an expensive full build kit to an assembly line ARF...with vaccum-formed canopy! no less. If you read this entire thread...you'll discover that all of us who have been actively participating in this discussion know what we're getting and no one's bubble will be burst. We never said, after the second version came out, "that's 100% perfect to scale"....building an ARF of this type of plane would be nearly impossible. BUT, I'll have to say that to RC Guy's credit, they listened, reacted, tried to improve, and as a result we have a much more acurate version of the real thing.--And

I'll settle for that.

Question for Baron: Go to www.rcguys.com and check out their complete lineup including the Cessna 150. Are those more acurate scale renditions, in your opinion, of the real thing? If so, do you think that RC Guys should have spent yet more time designing and producing the Agwagon to be more scale?
I know ARFs are hard to produce to look 100% scale and I am a critical guy, but there's a line that I won't cross if the model is built well, flys well, and is recognizable as it's intended target. I think (my opinion as a consumer) that RC Guys have got it right this time.
I guess it boils down to who they hired as the designer for this model....would you hire him on your staff?? LOL. Could've been designed by Dan himself.

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next fro... - 12/18/2007 8:00:01 PM

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I just got an email from Dan and he posed these questions. They are as follows:

As an Agwagon ARF owner, would you choose either...

1) scale very narrow fuselage which will fit very few engine choices

2) stand-off scale (fatter) fuselage with 9'' by 9'' firewall

Those are Dan's own words.

Personally, I'm good with either choice....but what do you guys think?

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next fro... - 12/18/2007 10:18:42 PM

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Let the debate roll on-really scale hanger Queens or take her out and fly on the weekends!! My vote is for the ones that represent the aircraft without anyone saying" WTH is that Thing?" I plan to modify mine to drop candy at fly-ins here and elsewhere. Maybe put in 4-5 pounds and have a hatch on the belly to open bomb-bay style and scatter the candy with a hatch on the top to facilate loading. Anyway I want one to add to my airforce. Also plan to put a SV 45 on the nose for the AG Truck version, three bladed prop and all. Bugs and kids beware this summer. That just maybe me overhead.....Travis

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next fro... - 12/18/2007 11:35:21 PM

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I would take the second choice. Stand off scale is fine. That anyone would even contemplate to ARF one of these is just great. Hat's off to them!

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next from... - 12/19/2007 7:13:52 AM

musiccityfan

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Baron b58,

I see your point but I must agree with Outacontrol41 on this one. I think the current prototype is very scale in appearance. If Dan and the guys want to change the side panels that's cool, but I will be ok with the current model as it is. The Voght Flugmodelle is an absolutely beautiful airplane, but it's a kit and it cost about three times more than the RCGuys ARF.

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next from... - 12/19/2007 2:01:52 PM

RedTwilight

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BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! (applause)....
Outacontrol said it all!

That's why I'm building a scale one from scratch and will pick this one up to fly with no worries of damaging it. As I would be when flying the scale one that I would have spent countless hours getting correct.

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next from... - 12/20/2007 3:00:02 AM

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Option 2, Stand off Scale for me is fine, I wish to setup this model as a tug and as such I intend a 50cc, therefore firewall space will be important to me.

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next from... - 12/20/2007 2:52:56 PM

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Would aerotow release work just behind the Canopy? It seems a little too far back on the Ag Wagon. Also too close to that tall virtical fin. What do all you tow pilots think?
Also, will the plane support an 80cc engine?

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next from ... - 12/20/2007 6:51:34 PM

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Scale or Stand Off Scale, not sure it really matters, this is one ugly airplane. Guess you have to keep stairing at it long enough to see the deep down beauty. But, after flying the Decathlon all Summer I'll have to buy one of these wagons just because Dan is producing it. My expierence with the Decathlon has been excellent so I look forward to getting my hands on another of Dan's fine models. Hopefully he shows up at Joe Nall again this year with his free shipping offer like he did last year.

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next from... - 12/20/2007 9:45:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Richardrc

Would aerotow release work just behind the Canopy? It seems a little too far back on the Ag Wagon. Also too close to that tall virtical fin. What do all you tow pilots think?
Also, will the plane support an 80cc engine?

i have a question for a tow plane guys... when the release mechanism is activated on the tow plane, what happens with the tow line? does it detact from the sailplane as well?? doesn't the sailplane usually detact itself from the tug? i've never seen a tug plane in real life so i'm sorry if this a such a easy question.

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next from... - 12/21/2007 12:20:59 AM

Richardrc

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quote:

ORIGINAL: swixtt

i have a question for a tow plane guys... when the release mechanism is activated on the tow plane, what happens with the tow line? does it detact from the sailplane as well?? doesn't the sailplane usually detact itself from the tug? i've never seen a tug plane in real life so i'm sorry if this a such a easy question.

The sailplane pilot actuates a release from the nose of the sailplane. The tow pilot then lands with the tow line attached. The tow plane has a tow release mechanism for use only in an emergency, if the sailplane can't detach.

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next from... - 12/21/2007 9:41:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: outacontrol41

Baron b58,

We always have the option to chop this ARF up and use it as a starting point to build a more scale model....but to many who can't build or revise....what's the point. This is the best thing to come down the pike for a while. JUST FLY!.....besides, for all the work that went into it, the price is right!

Wise words there! Next winter one can always rip the covering add all the scale details wanted and finish the plane up w/as many scale detalis as wanted! Or maybe it will move people to build a bigger one from blueprints. Whatever, I see a lot of fun coming our way, at the right price, anyway:-)

Gerry

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RE: 1/4 Scale AG WAGON ARF next from... - 12/23/2007 3:01:11 AM

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Eight months ago, when I decided to start this thread, I didn't just roll the dog bones till this forum appeared. My discussions with Dan Spears, and a good look at the RC Guys fleet, led me to the Giant Scale forum........Giant Scale as in IMAA airframes.......

If you want to experience Scale RC airframes you'll have to scroll down the index a ways.

As I said many pages ago, when it's all said and done, you will get a very nice looking, stand-off scale Ag Wagon.................nice job Mr Spears....................

If true scale is your thing...........you'll either have to run out in the back yard and cut down a Balsa tree or you can get one of these Ag Wagons and go to work on it............
I bet in the right hands, one of these ARF's could be dangerous..............