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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 4/28/2007 6:50:56 PM   
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3- Stalling a wing in the turn would have resulted in the aircraft ending up on its back as the wing does not generate lift in a stall. Since the Blue Angel continued in a knife edge, this was not the issue. Get some altitude and try it some time...it is very abrupt and violent when executing a power on, high banking stall. This happens more often than it should when aircraft turn base to final and add rudder to keep from overshooting the turn. It results in an unrecoverable, low level spin.

One of the reasons I suggested a stall was that it actually looks like he went past knife edge and toward inverted just as he disappears below the tree line.

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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 4/28/2007 8:29:31 PM   
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The F/A-18's and other fighter fly-by-wire flight control systems will almost never allow an aircraft to stall. It will not apply the entire control or change other factors based on the aircrafts flight characteristics in order to keep that sort of thing from happening.

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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 4/28/2007 9:04:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slick95

The F/A-18's and other fighter fly-by-wire flight control systems will almost never allow an aircraft to stall. It will not apply the entire control or change other factors based on the aircrafts flight characteristics in order to keep that sort of thing from happening.

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Almost... and with sufficient altitude...


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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 4/29/2007 7:06:38 PM   
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I know that the "show must go on" but after watching the videos I'm a bit surprised (not to say chocked) to see that they landed with the smoke on as if nothing had happened? they obviously knew that they lost a mate, what is the rule in this terrible case?

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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 4/29/2007 9:56:46 PM   
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Lots of speculation here. IMO most of it healthy. Just beware that much of what holds true for most airplanes (e.g. how they stall or perform single-engine) may not apply to the Hornet, so even vast experience elsewhere can lead you to speculate in the wrong direction. I'm not saying he did, but even if he did make a mistake, this tragedy takes nothing away from the many remarkable goals he achieved or the many sacrifices he made over a distinguished flying career. Most importantly, I think we we all know that whatever happened, was he trying his absolute best.

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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 4/30/2007 1:03:18 AM   
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Well put Shoe!

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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 4/30/2007 3:18:34 AM   
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>
> > The most aggressive flying in the Blue Angel show takes place in
> > the join ups behind show center. The timing requires "expeditious"
> > join ups involving huge overtake speeds and high G maneuvering in
> > the terminal phase of the rejoin to dissipate the overtake. The
> > video I saw shows No. 6 closing on the formation for the rejoin, but
> > before he gets there, the jet lags the formation, goes outside the
> > turn radius and descends in seeming controlled flight to the tree
> > line. This would be consistent with GLOC on the rendezvous. If the
> > pilot passed out at the join up, he'd be back on the power. Upon
> > loss of consciousness, the G would ease immediately taking him
> > outside the formation turn radius. At flight idle, the jet would
> > slowly descend.
>
> I don't know who sent this, so I don't know how familiar he is with the Blue
> Angel F/A-18. I did some of the test flights on the modified Hornet to clear it
> for the Blue's use. There is one particular difference in the longitudinal
> control system that would make the airplane go negative G, like it appeared
> to me it did on the video, if the pilot experienced GLOC.
>
> First, the Blues, and any good formation flyers, always fly with a nose down
> out-of-trim condition. This requires a constant pull force on the stick and
> allows smoother airplane control during close formation flying. By being out
> of trim longitudinally, there is no "break out" force required to initially move
> the stick like there is in a neutral trim condition, so there are no jerky
> movements in a tight formation.
>
> Second, unlike the Blue's earlier birds, the Hornet flight control system wont
> "allow" an out-of-trim condition. So we developed a "downspring" to make
> them have to hold the desired pull force on the stick. This downspring is an
> actual spring attached from the lower instrument panel to the forward part
> of the stick. To maintain level flight, you have to keep about a 10 pound pull
> force on the stick.
>
> The initial writer said at GLOC the G would "ease" immediately. Actually, in
> the Blue's Hornet, it would be an immediate negative G from the stick going
> full forward, and at the altitude they appeared to be, around 7-800 feet, that
> wouldn't give much time for recovery if the pilot ever regained
> consciousness.
>
> But, as the initial writer also said, we'll have to wait for the accident board
> to
> complete before we know if any of this is actually what happened. I just
> thought I'd throw in a little about the modified Blue Angel Hornet in case
> anyone didn't know.
>
> Spider
>
>
> - -
> CAPT George Webb, USN (Ret.)



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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 5/1/2007 3:19:03 AM   
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Maybe the stick slipped out of his hand. Or maybe the airplane was built on Friday. Or maybe it was "just out of maintenance", who knows. Why does our military have a flying circus team?

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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 5/6/2007 3:22:34 AM   
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he lost counsiosness for three seconds due to G forces and that was enough to crash on that tree

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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 5/8/2007 4:35:06 AM   
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gussospina,

With all due respect, I think it's important that you represent your statement as your opinion of speculation rather than definitive facts. It still may be some time before we find out exactly what happened to our friend Kevin J Davis. We are still waiting for the military investigation to complete. Please have patience, the answers are coming.

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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 5/8/2007 2:54:00 PM   
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I do not want to think it is a Pilot mistake, and these manuvers are not even close to a real mission or combat, i rather like to think it was something out of his hands, I just got really impacted when i saw some videos posted at youtube.com about guests riding with the Blue Angels, it is amazing how the human body react to the G-Forces.....But you're right we have to be patient and listen to the results of the investigation.

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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 5/8/2007 3:39:50 PM   
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sorry to hear about this loss... any ETA for anything to come up from the official investigation?

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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 1/15/2008 7:53:26 PM   
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http://hamptonroads.com/2008/01/navy-says-blue-angel-pilot-didnt-tense-muscles-crash

My condolences to the family and friends of Lt. Cmdr. Kevin Davis.

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RE: Blue Angels Jet crash - 1/15/2008 8:44:55 PM   
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Eric:

Attached you'll find the results of the investigation

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/01/navy-says-blue-angel-pilot-didnt-tense-muscles-crash

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