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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/18/2007 5:47:33 AM   
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Howdy Clement! That was some great AP video! The pans were very smooth and didn't overshoot the stops which is common with remote heads. I had seen that creek video before but didn't know it was yours.

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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/18/2007 7:58:03 AM   
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Hey Sky! Hey Dirk! THANK YOU FOR THE COMPLIMENTS!!!

Here are some more Aerial Shots I did using a gasser:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB9kDfY6Uc

These were all taken in different locations here in the Philippines... (AIRCAM ASIA, AERIALCAM ASIA and AeroEye ASIA are one of the same company... I couldn't make up my mind which company name to go for until the Philippine Department of Trade and Industry approved and awarded me with AeroEye ASIA as our official name)...

To keep the shots in frame, I still use the EYETOP that came with my SAVS, upgraded my TX to a DX7 to be safe when doing aerial video documentation of motoring events, and a 900MHz video downlink as not to conflict with the 2.4Ghz of the DX7. Video signal kept dropping when we were still using the 2.4Ghz downlink... Scott of SLCITY was a big inspiration on flying with EYETOPS on.. Yes, it can be done!

Cheers!

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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/18/2007 8:05:14 PM   
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Hi Clement7,
Your aerial video work is excellent - what most of us strive for! We're trying to decide to add a second heli to our fleet, and are undecided between the Maxi-Joker2 electric and the Century Condor gasser.

I have two questions for you, if you don't mind:

1. What model gasser do you fly?

2. Did you have the engine balanced before you built it, and if not, how's the vibration level?

The nice thing about the big electrics are that they're super smooth German engineering. Of course the shortcomings are shorter flight times and less lifting power. The batteries are also expensive, but if you baby them they'll run for 100 hours, and I think that makes up for the mess and fumes.

Thanks a bunch,
Bruce

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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/19/2007 1:19:22 AM   
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Hey Bruce! Thank you!

I started with DF's SAVS but the AP requirements of my clients demanded at least 3CCD if not HD and most of the time shoot during windy conditions. I had no choice but to move to using a NITRO-powered 90-size Hirobo Freya which was locally available in our country with good LHS support on parts and service. The concerns I had with my Freya is fuel economy and the one-way bearing would tend to give-up easily when my payload exceeds 4 pounds and during high speed flybys. But surprisingly, it held on for a year as my AP platform till I decided to make the switch to gassers. Almost half of the shots in my demo reel are by my Hirobo Freya which proves that nitro-powered helis can pass for an AP ship. I just had to find a way to redirect the exhaust pipe and bling it a bit to handle the 4 pound payload of my camera mount.

Now to answer your question, I would go for a gasser. My gasser is proudly Philippine-made.. It's a MAXUM. Those exotic shots in the mountains and beaches and covering motoring events are so demanding that you wouldnt want your batteries to quit on you when it's your turn to fly. Good thing my receiver battery packs are cheap and I can get a lot of those and just swap them when I need to. But for my work, longer flight times is a major requirement. There was one event I had to fly for 4 straight hours and just land to refuel then go again. I can easily gauge how much flight time I still have through a quick visual inspection of the fuel tank while the heli is on the air. There are times I have to land, keep the motor running and wait for the cars to start the race... the safety officers of my team keep constant watch of my fuel tank.. with electrics, it's hard to estimate how much flight time you have given the same situation. There is simply no time for me to charge higher capacity batteries on the field.. and again, shorter flight times of electrics won't do.. and I can't afford to buy more battery packs.

But wait, there's more! (hehehe I'm sounding like an infomercial here)

....There's a generator available already that you can attach to a gasser to continuously charge the rx battery pack while on the air. That means, I only have to land to fuel-up, no more swapping of rx battery packs. Cool!

For your next question...

When I got my gasser 2nd hand, it came with a 23cc Zenoah 2-stroke engine.. The owner of the MAXUM shop was so kind enough to replace the defective carb and help me tame and tune-up the engine. It flew smoothly without any other modifications done to the engine. Then someone sold me a 26cc piston head and I had it installed. It was a major mistake. Vibes were all over the tail, horizontal and vertical. No matter how much tuning, needle tweaking we did, it just won't go away.. We were able to minimize it but it was still there.. and lo and behold, during one of my AP shoots, my gasser pirouetted uncontrollably. I had to chop it to save it from hitting the car we were shooting. The tail servo gave-up. It overheated. The high-frequency horizontal tail vibes was too much for it to handle. Crash cost me about $200, main blades, tail blades, fins and tail rotor assembly had to be replaced, plus the tail's digital servo. I was so lucky the main mast, spindle and tail boom were all intact. The camera and the camera mount survived, no damage.

I read somewhere that having it balanced would be your best bet to minimize the vibes further.. but that facility is not available in our country and I'm already happy with how my gasser flies. Well you saw my clips, vibes were not that obvious anymore..

I look up to VOLOVISIONE, SKY HIGH and Scott of SLCITY. VOLOVISIONE uses gassers and SAVS. SKY HIGH, he really flies HIGH and loves his SAVS! . . . And Scott's success in maximizing his SAVS with real-estate applications and flying while monitoring the shots through his EYETOPS, now that's something to really look up to.. takes a lot of guts and practice to master what these people can do..


Cheers!


Clement
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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/19/2007 3:53:47 AM   
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Clement,
Thank you for your tutorial! You are a gentleman and a scholar - and a darn good salesman to boot! You definitely convinced me to go the gasser route instead of the big electric, based on your real-life experiences. Sometimes things look good on paper, but then reality raises its ugly head . Also, you're right that you can visually check your fuel level, when with an electric it's always guesswork. Although the T-Rex 600 is great for stills, the first question everyone asks when you discuss aerial video is "can you shoot HD?". Looks like the gasser is definitely the way to go. I've shifted most of my technical discussions over to THIS FORUM as "crewchief" so I hope to see you over there too.

Thanks again,
Bruce

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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/19/2007 4:29:24 AM   
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Ey Bruce!

I'm glad to be of help!

Clement

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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/20/2007 6:25:44 AM   
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Sky, why don't you show the gang the technique for making aerials look like miniatures? After I saw those examples you PM'd me, it's easy to visualize how shots like these could be candidates for the "miniature train" treatment.

Ciao,
Bruce


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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/21/2007 4:31:47 AM   
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Ah yes, winds 25 MPH gusting to 45 - what better time to check out what's going on over at Jethro & Bubba's place? All that wind howling, they won't hear a thing. Can we get a little banjo music here? This is the place that the DF crashed previously with a power drop-out. Pretty scary sneaking back there behind those buildings trying to find it. The pieces were lying around right next to a suitcase of 8-track tapes of the Bee Gees and Olivia Newton John. I didn't know if we were going to get shot or meet a bad dog. High price to pay for a controller glitch. What a difference spread spectrum makes! Just to make sure you get a feel for what the wind was doing ABOVE the treeline, listen to THIS.


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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/22/2007 3:29:24 AM   
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Sky, why don't you show the gang the technique for making aerials look like miniatures?

Turns out Picasa (free download from Google) has this function built in. I has just two sliders, one to set the size of the center oval, and the other to set the degree of soft focus outside the circle. Works great. Great price, too!

Ciao,
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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/22/2007 7:10:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BB_DF

Sky, why don't you show the gang the technique for making aerials look like miniatures?

I didn't do it the best way because the edges of the blur were not feathered to blend with the focused area for the optimum effect. But here is a link to quite a few pages of AP images processed with this effect.

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ORIGINAL: BB_DF

Turns out Picasa (free download from Google) has this function built in. I has just two sliders, one to set the size of the center oval, and the other to set the degree of soft focus outside the circle. Works great. Great price, too!

Now that is convenient. Thanks for that info!


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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/22/2007 8:58:00 AM   
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Finally got a chance to use my SAVS for one of the shots in this teaser video I made for an offroad events management company... can you guess which shot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9LhDR0jKvk

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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/22/2007 11:01:42 PM   
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Is it the 44 to 47 seconds spot? If it was, thats a little disapointing on the quality of the video.

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RE: NON-DRAGANFLYER / OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION - 8/22/2007 11:30:16 PM