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CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/18/2007 11:53:45 AM   
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I thought i'd start a thread on my kitbashing of the CMPro Fw-190. Now i know that many people like this ARF, but i cannot stand the paint scheme and the shape as many issues. I know it's meant to be based on the WAR FW-190 but i'm sure that aircraft was based of the real Fw-190 so i hope to bring it back to were it looks a little closer to the real thing.

Firstly i have flown the fw-190 a few times and i have to say it flew really nicely, with the landing speed being very low. I used the model to break in an O.S. 1.20 FS pumper, but found her to be a little underpowered, and i'm sure the fixed gear and the 800grams of lead up front didn't help either.

I started the kitbash by removing the canopy and making a plaster of paris copy. the canopy is one of the first things i noticed that is wrong and it's relativily easily fixed. this is off getting a test pull done so i'll post pic's when it gets back. while the plaster was drying i scanned some 3-veiws drawings. I used the Kagero series of books on the Fw-190. There are 4 volumes and i have to say they are some of the best study of an aircraft books i have come across. I then took some pic's of the fw and when i put the three veiws over the top of the pic's the shape issues became all the more apparent.......

thanks

Dave

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RE: CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/18/2007 12:15:29 PM   
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Status: online 		As you can see from the two picures below there are plenty of areas which require adjustment, but i have to say i was pretty disappointed when i saw how undersized the wing was in relation to the fuse. After thinking about it, the only real way to deal with this would be to build a new wing. this is beyond what i wanted to do with this kit so i will stick with the kit's foam core job.

where i plan to change is the flaps on the wing to the correct split flaps, correct the wingtip shape, and also correct the aileron shape.

I have been working with Lenny at shindin retracts to make a set of "drop-in" retracts for this model and they should be ready in the next few weeks.

for the fuse, i plan to increase the tail area, and build a new rudder, a new canopy, work on the gun blisters forward of the canopy, and if i get really excited, also reduce the size of the blisters on the cowl. The hozi stab will also get a little attention, to reduce it's size to a more scale size.

firstly i removed all the gear out of the model and stripped the covering off the wings and hori stab. came off too easy. then i sanded the paint off the fuse. REAL HARD work!!!!! i couldn't believe how hard is was.... should have used paint stripper

thanks

dave

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RE: CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/18/2007 1:55:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good luck ticketec, im sure it wil look great when finished. It actually looks heaps better in you pics than any thing ive seen advertised just as it is.
I was reading along and I thought I recognised that Mustang.

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RE: CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/18/2007 3:20:49 PM   
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The hozi stab will also get a little attention, to reduce it's size to a more scale size.





That big oversized horizontal stab is one of the main reasons these CMP's fly so nicely and slow down for landings.
I too wanted to start bashing mine during and after the build because of the typical non-scale FW190-A series flaws. But I could see that I was heading into that never ending search for the "LOOK" that can never be from this plane. Don't get me wrong,,, I admire anyone who strives for more realistic scale features on an ARF. And what your doing is wonderful. If you can mold some extra parts I might be interested as would others i bet. This is a cheap plane mean't for flying. It will never be a scale contest contender.
When I open RCU from my favorites list this week and see my CMP FW190 photo on the opening page I should be proud of my work and my paint scheme, etc. But instead I just think about the kit and scratch built Wurgers I see the master builders doing. Such as Ali's new 190 and the others running the big radial engines with the scale struts , flaps, blisters and oil coolers. I even see some with working cowl flaps. Others are detailed right down to the Revi gunsights. I'd be scared to death to ever fly the thing after that much labor. The saito 150 flys this plane smartly and the rx battery and onboard glow plus 7oz makes the balance perfect. This is a great plane to put a 25 to 40cc gasser in.

Again,,, I'm not being a sad sack party pooper here. I'm just saying that after all the research is done,,, your looking at making molds for everything if you want true scale. Why not just build one from scratch? Probably the same reasons I don't tackle that job.
Keep up the good work and I'll be following along as you post.

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RE: CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/19/2007 2:01:23 AM   
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No, you are absolutely 100% correct. I would end up with a more accurate FW if i was to build a mister or something like that, but i guess i just want to make her look that little bit more like a Fw-190, without the effort of a full build. i'm only goning to attack the "easy" shape issues. I think that at the end of the day if i can make her look better and still maintain those easy flyig capabilities then it will be a good everyday hack a/c.

Acutally i thought i would be able to get a fairly respectable Fw till i realised how undersized the wing is.... well if nothing else, a new canopy and a paint job will transform her enough to fly around till i build a proper Fw... Sist FW ummmm yeah, just need those deeper pockets

thanks

dave

P.S i kinda don't like those airworld Fw's AKA: ali's.. they have some pretty noticable shape problems too, if only those big radials didn't look and sound so good.

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RE: CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/19/2007 5:37:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dave,,,, thanks for understanding me mate.
As some of us know and others don't want to even consider. .... These cheapo A8's ? really fly sweet and land like a trainer. My only problem is the foam core wing which recently I found out was the same with everyone who owns this kite. I was led to believe they had a built up wood wing version in the true CMP/GSP model which was a lie. So I rekon everyone has the same troubles as me. With all the mods I've done to the rail/spar area I can actually run my 74.degree Springair's with the heavier built RobinAire struts off my paved runway. I'd be afraid to try grass with this foam crap but but the weekend ain't over yet if ya know what I mean.

Please,,,,, keep up the good fabrications on this project and if you can make time to duplicate a mold or two. I'm a roo for 1 or 2 scale parts brother.

P.S. I've always wanted to visit Aussie Land !! Any good deals on flights ?

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RE: CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/21/2007 1:31:02 PM   
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Status: online 		Hey sturtz,

I our club only has grass runways as do most clubs in australia that i have been too....

I did reinforce the landing gear area with 1/4" dowl, but i won't play with the mounts till i get the retracts from lenny. Foam core wings are ok, you just have to make sure you spread the loads out further than in a built up wing that all. Having said that, the polystyrene used in this wing is some of the lowest density i have ever seen , which doesn't help the cause.

Haven't done a whole heap because i'm still putting the finishing touches to my Mustang, but i did finish sanding the fuse and cowl, and have started gluing polystyrene foam to the fin/spine area to see if i will get away with enlarging that area.

thanks

dave

p.s. i do get good discounts on flights but can't pass the on, sorry

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RE: CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/21/2007 2:47:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your right about foam core wings. I guess it's just the idea of foam that seems weak.
This is a good thread you got going here so keep it up Dave.


Update: Flew at a Warbird Fly-in sat and took a few pics of the scratch built FW190-A6 sitting next to me in the pits. Glad I didn't take my 190. Would have had to look over at this sweet wurger the whole time. lol



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RE: CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/21/2007 8:37:08 PM   
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I followed your P-51 build and enjoyed it very much. Good luck with the 190. I'm sure you've seen the following site, but if you haven't, its a must see for a 190 build:

http://www.tompierce.net/190/index.htm

Tim

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RE: CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/24/2007 1:06:14 PM   
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Status: online 		Hey Sturtz,

Is that butcher bird an IMP kit? the 1/5 scale gun kit in the nose of it looks familiar.... real nice looking, done a great job with it.

Hey oosiksmith,

Thanks mate, i did enjoy build the 'stang, but the final equipment installation is becoming tedious. waiting on some bits and pieces to arrive to finish it all off, then i can concentrate on the Fw more. I have seen Tom pierce's FW and it is an incredible looking model. I will be taking his lead and using WBPU and glass instead of resin to see how it works for me.... I would love to go to the level of detail that he did, but a not sure i have the patience, and b: not sure it's worth the trouble on this one.

The reshaping of the hori stab is complete, and don't worry sturtz i only really rounded the ends and removed 1/8" off the trailing edge of the elevators, and i built in the aerodynamic balance tabs on the ends of the elevators.

I have also rough shaped the foam added to the verti stab. a little more shaping and then i'll glass it once i'm happy.

Thanks

Dave

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RE: CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/24/2007 3:00:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dave,,, looking good !!! Are you planning to recess the vert stab at the top for the upper rudder tab ? This was another scale touch I never understood why they didn't do while drawing up the plans.
Keep up the good work,,,looking forward to your next post.

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RE: CMPro 71" Fw-190 kitbash - 5/24/2007 4:55:03 PM   
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