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BatteryNut -> New member with a question. (5/22/2007 12:40:05 AM)

Hello, all.

The thread on the , 16s 6p a123 cells configuration is most interesting. I could use a similar pack like that for a project. But it raises several questions. I will apprecate any help.

1) Is it best to build 16, 1s 6p packs and wire all the packs in series?

2) What happens if 1 of the cells in a pack fails and have an internal short? Will the other 5 cells in parallel try to charge it? I guess the shorted cell would get hot and vent?

3) What are the chances of this happening?

4) Does this mean I should be careful of storing cells wired in parallel? Do a123 cells always short when they go bad, or do they open, 50-50?

5) How can this pack be charged?

Thanks for any answers,
Batterynut





Red Scholefield -> RE: New member with a question. (5/22/2007 1:00:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BatteryNut

Hello, all.

The thread on the , 16s 6p a123 cells configuration is most interesting. I could use a similar pack like that for a project. But it raises several questions. I will apprecate any help.

1) Is it best to build 16, 1s 6p packs and wire all the packs in series? That would be a good idea, then a pack can be replaced if a problem occurs.

2) What happens if 1 of the cells in a pack fails and have an internal short? Will the other 5 cells in parallel try to charge it? I guess the shorted cell would get hot and vent? A cell can't short if there are others providing the voltage.

3) What are the chances of this happening? Slim to zero.

4) Does this mean I should be careful of storing cells wired in parallel? Do a123 cells always short when they go bad, or do they open, 50-50? We really don't have that much experience in the failure modes of A123 cells to give an answer on this, and the guys at A123 probably don't have a clue either.


5) How can this pack be charged? VERY CAREFULLY - Seriously again. You could use a lab power supply that you can set both the voltage level and current. That still won't take care of the balancing problem. If you have individual 6 cell packs the Bantam BC-6 will charge a 6 cell pack and balance it (balance connector is required on your pack). And this will take a long time to charge all 16 packs. If you don't balance packs frequently you could run into big problems with your configuration.

To tell you the truth, a battery this complex makes my head hurt.






Thanks for any answers,
Batterynut



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BatteryNut -> RE: New member with a question. (5/22/2007 5:44:12 AM)

Red, thanks for quick reply.

On question#2. Why can't a cell short if the others are providing the voltage? Seems to me if 1 cell starts to develope a low internal resistance, it will run the entire 1s 6p pack down to zero volts. This could make for a very hot cell. And if left alone at zero volts, the pack will be ruined. Is there another way to look at this?
Does any one know a way to fool the Dewalt 36v charger into charging fewer cells? Maybe using dummy voltage loads to simulate a cell?
Your right this is a headach of a challange. I can see why hybrid cars don't parallel their cells either. Wonder how the Telsa Car deals with it. Sorry to stray from rc, but the battery managment problems are the same.

Thanks




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