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H9 Sundowner - 6/8/2007 7:33:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		In looking at this airplane on H9's site, I noticed the in cowl muffler that is shown mounted to the Evolution 35. Does anyone know who's muffler that is? I have already pre-ordered this thru LHS, and m trying to decide whether to go gas with the 35 Evo or a Saitio 1.80 (maybe the 220?!) Anyway for now the question is on the muffler. Any takers? Anyone else getting this plane before me?
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/ProductGallery.aspx?ProdID=HAN4500

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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/9/2007 1:27:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		ive eyeballed this plane and read all that i could on it. price aint that bad at 400. im thinking a 160 2 stroke would fling this thing like never before. its a 180 size plane and its weight ranges from 12.5 to 13.7lb. if your into racing this is the one. look out

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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/9/2007 2:02:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have some ideas on mine but don't put a cart before the horse. Of all my planes, the engine was not even purchased until around the time the plane was nearly done. Gives you time to really think about the plan here. I'm not sure of your area but around here, there are enough people who may have the same engine on a shelf that I can borrow to size up before i purchase.



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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/9/2007 4:30:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is one nice lookin airplane!

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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/10/2007 4:59:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can't tell for sure..but maybe it's yet to come out, this is under the options and calls it the SPORT muffler but with no pictures yet ( as HH is famous for doing) who can tell?

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/RelatedParts.aspx?ProdId=EVOE26GT2&Category=Optional%20Accessories


I want one just for the sport flying aspect, this is a nice change for people like me that have the G-26 and don't want a Bipe or a Cub!. Mikel-t

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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/10/2007 7:22:39 PM   
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The muffler that is shown on our web-site is a prototype muffler we have been testing for use in the Sundowner. We unfotunately have been faced with a delay from our Vendor. The Sundowner first ships to our customers the end of June, and the muffler will be available very soon afterwards. The muffler listed below works quite well with the 35GT2, but you would need to cut away a porton of the cowl and that was why we were having a custom muffler made with the ends cut back at an angle to keep the muffler inside the cowl. Unless you are going to race the Sundowner then I would suggest the 26GT2 with Pitts side mounted engine muffler shown on our web-site. The Sundowner has been clocked at 115 mph straight and level with the 26GT2 engine. The 35GT2 will push the model to 130mph, but the added 19 oz. of engine weight increases the landing speed and the wing loading. For all around great sport flyng I would stick with the lighter engine.
The model is very neutral and for a racer will do superb aerobatices and KE flight is effortless. When you turn it up on a wing tip in a pylon type turn then the Sundowner shows her true colors.

We will have some new additional video from the Rantoul air races up on the web-site shortly.











EVO/MVVS 26GT 1.6 Pitt


$42.99 [BIS05516]



EVO/MVVS 35 GT 2.15 Baffled Pitt


$58.99 [BIS05562]




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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/11/2007 1:39:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bill,
Thanks for all the info. With your advice I will buy another 26 GT (already have one in the H9 1.50 P-51). I guess I'm still a gear-head at heart (bigger MUST be better ) but I'll gladly take the advice of the manufacturer when they care enough to log on and post an answer. Another BIG reason I love H9 and Horizon. Now release that airplane!!!

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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/11/2007 1:54:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mr. Brundle,

Any chance the Sundowner will be offered as an ARC or even solid colours?

It will be hard to race them when they all look alike.

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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/12/2007 3:55:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can't beat HH for customer service IMHO i've been buying from them for years ( they could use some help with navigating their on-line store) but I always remove some covering on any ARF to check construction/glue joints etc and H-9 does'nt hot glue anything I've ever bought..including the little park fliers. So changing the color scheme is a favorite chore anyway....LUV THAT ULTRCOAT!!!

I heard thru the rumor mill that they will not be putting out the matching Ultracoat spray paint...Is that true????

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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/13/2007 4:36:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just talked to LHS. They said it was due to ship on 6-15.
As for the Ultracoat paint, I heard the same thing about 2 months ago. No longer making it, so buy what you need from stock while they have it. Evidently this is not a rumor.

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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/13/2007 6:23:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess HOME DEPOT can match any color of Ultracoat your bring them so...no biggie except for the spray can factor. Anybody know the "How-To's" of spray painting??

Man this hobby runs on money doesn't it?

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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/15/2007 3:21:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Sundowner HAN4500 will ship to dealers tomorrow, so be sure and cehck one out at your local hobby store.

P-51B We are not currently planning on offering the Sundowner in an ARC or any additional color schemes, but if demand is determined to be of sufficient numbers then we may re think that thought. We know there are modelers out there that will strip the covering and do their own color scheme and this is realy quite simple to do, so it truly does come down to the demend being of an appropriate number to warrant a special run.

The Ultra Cote paint has been discontinued due to EPA and a few other issues, so grab what you can at the LHS while supplies last.


What or where do you think would be a good place to start to modify the web-site to make the sirte more user friendly?



We should have some new video up on the web-site of the Sundowner next week, so be sure and check this out.



Bill Brundle
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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/15/2007 3:41:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you saying that the Sundowner will not be as good a sport flyer with the 35. Will KE be harder with the 35. Or is just landing speed the only problem with the 35. I would like the max speed but would like to sport fly it also. Do you thing flaperons would work to slow landing speed down or would they make it just squirrely.
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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/15/2007 3:48:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		The plane will not be harder to fly, and KE will not be effected by the larger engine. The larger engine with the larger prop disk will increase the landing speed and the fact that the wing loading will go up will also be a contributing factor. To gain max speed on the larger engine you need to prop down to 15" prop and run as much pitch as you can. By doing this you also increase landing speed. I was just saying that for all around great sport flying the 26GT2 would be a great choice, and is only 10 mph. slower. If all out speed is what you seek then the 35GT2 will do the job. The airplane has just been adopted as the new entry level IROC racer for the USRA. They will be using the 35GT2 as the power plant.


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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/15/2007 4:17:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the come back. Would setting the plane up with flaperons help lower the landing speed without creating problems?
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RE: H9 Sundowner - 6/15/2007 6:31:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		We have not flown this airplane with flaperons, but I do use flaperons on my jets to help with the landing speeds. I would say to reflex the ailerons up about 3 degrees and try that. I would then increase the up angle a degree at a time until I noticed a change in landing speed while still maintaining good stability. I would not go past 10 degrees. You need to also watch for yaw stability, as you know that is why we reflex ailerons up to begin with.

I hope this helps and keep us posted on your results

Bill


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