jaejw1

for those that missed it

TIRE REVIEW

first i would like to thank NOFF for sending me a set of the d-bars.. i was surprisingly pleased with them.. my mouth dropped with excitement, eventhough i was skeptical..
i want to mention also.. testing tires is really work,, not like running a car.. you have to pay attention to certain details and understand why things are performing the way they are...
my testing was done at socal raceway and pegasus .. going by memory at times while others were written down after i pulled the car off the track or by watching my videos..

socal raceway clay dirt which is changed oftnen about every 3 weeks is known for having lots of bite on the track,, when it is wet/soft,, wet/hard and dry/hard
while pegasus you are trying to find traction as soon as the dry spots start showing up,, and being an outdoor track the sun blarring doesnt help.. it is noted hat pegasus
"Pegasus has a hard track surface that will break up if left dry. Tire choices will depend on how wet the track is but with continual light watering by the track crew, conditions stay pretty consistent and lap times do not differ much throughout the day. The track maintains a hard base with a slightly loose top when wet. The track can get hard and slick if left dry."


the things i was testing for were
-forward bite
-side bite
-turn in ,, on/off power
-high speed stability
-hidh speed sweepers
-controlled drifts
-in air pitch control

ok so here we go..
SOCAL RACEWAY ,, wet/soft fresh

HOLESHOTS/INSIDE JOBS stock proline foam,, reference tires
great fun to drive.. the car will wheelie about the halfway mark on the straight... the tires had good forward and side bite .. high speed stability was great.. i was able to track a straight line and the inside jobs offered the right amount of push when going into the high speed sweeper. in air control was sensitive... the taller profile soaked up a lot of track imperfections,, absorbs landings well,,, now on power turning was pushy.. since the front wheels would like to leave the ground but off power was good

CRIMEFIGHTERS,, doudled half8th proline foam
great for such a small profile with hardly any cushion.. it will wheelie on initial throttle if giving too much ,, tires offered superior traction even when caked with dirt,, this tire is great for wet/soft surface,, high speed stability was good and controlled drifting was there when you wanted it.. it had the rifght amount of push and give.. i like these tires aswell

STOCK DTX TIRES,, only ran once on the softer surface.. but they performed very well to my surprise.. i would use as a last resort though and only if the track is soft and wet or damp..


SOCAL HARD PACKED DAMP HARD..

INSIDE/HOLESHOTS,,
good traction,, will still do wheelies on the straight,, has the right amount of push on the sweeper ,, and will still push its way through slow tight turn while on power,, stilll a good overall well rounded tire,, it does what i need it to do when i need it to do it..

MINI QUAKE SPLIT BLOCKS stock soft foam
forward bite.. NONE-- it would just ride ontop of the dirt surface and not dig in......... these tires did nothing but slide all over the place.. they had no grip.. turn ins were wide and drifty.. in air control was very sensitive.. .... these tires may work well on a wet soft track,, or on a loose powdery track..

CRIME FIGHTERS
forward bite was good,,, ok-good side bite, but way more controllable than the MQ tires.. turn ins were good.. high speed stability was great.. it kept a straight line.. just watch for footprints or potholes.. the lower profile tires and shorter clearance will upset suspension.. ... good on the sweeper and coming out of the sweeper.. will keep the front wheels planted while slightly breaking he rear wheels loose enough to square off the turn,,,,, controlled drifts were easy.. without a BL motor i might have a hard time adjusting pitch in the air

STOCK DTX TIRES... just as bad as the MQ TIRES

D-BARS,, 10th scale trinity grey bomb one foam
holy jeez. these things had lil tiny claws sticking out.. this was one mutant tire.. i never had soo much traction before.. the tires were glued to the dirt,,, some might like it and others wont.. i personally didnt like it.. i couldnt not manipulate the tires like i like to do.. the tires would traction roll.... on power push is crazy.. but off power turn ins are like curving throught he dirt with a knife.. very sharp and planted... high speed sweeper is wide but planted,, that is if i could get on the sweeper without flipping over,, way too much traction for me,,, might be a great tire for someone driving on the same surface and is used to driving on carpet.. high speed stability is great,, and landing was awesome thanks to the foam inserts

WILDBOARS,, trinity bomb ones
my kind of tires,, not as great a the insidejob/holeshots or the crime fighters.. but they were ok.. a good tire to practice with.. the lil pins were just a tad too hard for the dirt... a lil wd40 sprayed on and left overnight might soften the rubber.. these tires suited my driving style more than the D-BARS..


PEGASUS,,, wet-dry

INSIDEJOBS/HOLESHOTS
sweeps and turn in were good.. allowed for quick switch backs in the "s" section,, had the right amount of push at the first turn coming off the straight.. these tires will wheelie on the straight,, tires also are more forgiving of imperfect landings and surface.. i did very well with these tires..

CRIMEFIGHTERS
love/hate these tires.. well hate is a strong word.. these tires performed very well in the wet patches and ok in the dry stuff. forward bite was good.. bit side bite on certain areas was a real push.. the "s" ssection while wet these ires would carve straight through with no problem,, and the sweeper was taken a lil too wide, but it could have been that i was pushing it too hard.. these tires would not wheelie on the straight made driving pleasurable.. just as long as the dirt was slightly wet..

MINI QUAKE
sweeper was WIDE,, turn ins were loose,, spun out a few times,, the "s" section pissed me off.. i did not like these tires at all.. even on the wet stuff..

STOCK DTX TIRES
they only do well if the track is FRESHLY watered,, once it starts to dry up.. they are just as bad as the mini quakes

D-BARS,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i almost forgot i was reviewing these tires... these tires are the tires for this track,, they offered superior traction.. but not soo much as at socal..
wet or dry these tires performed well.. but like any other tire for any other car.. get out of the groove and into the loose stuff and YOU WILL SPIN OUT..
the "s" section was taken fast and tight,, the sweeper was so tight i had to make sure i was not going to hit the inside pipes.. in air control was ok. but that is fine.. the traction at this track is what everyone is searching for.. even the race announcer said the car was riding on rails and looked good.. he even asked what tires i was using.. he did mention that it was so hooked up that it might do wheelies on the straight.. something i dont like.. well it will if i gun the throotle halfway on the straight......
landing.. oh man.. you knew the foam was doing its part.. i never heard such softer landings... i can go on and on and on about this tire on this track,, i know now that this tire is the tire to have at pegasus and even though ppl said it wouuldnt work,, "foam too hard".. "treads too big".. well i was extremely pleased

WILD BOARS.. do i even need to discuss these tires... lets just say i ran half a pack through them and didnt touch them again for the rest of the day..

summary
socal
wet/soft-- crime fighters
damp /hard--- insidejobs/holeshots
dry/hard--- inside jobs/hole shots

pegasus
D-BARS baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you have any questions regarding any of these tires please feel free to ask.. thanks again to NOFF for allowing me to test these tires..

Frozen72

Surface - Mulch mixed with loose dirt

Stock DTX Tires - They would dig in but once you tried to turn on power it would go into a uncontrolled drift. Off power they would dig in and give only a small controlled drift. the straight line stablity is horrible you just slide all over the place. In air control was good they did what they needed to do when hey were in he air.

I hope that this helps people pick a set of tires because the original tire review helped me a lot.

Mz

how about carpet?

Frozen72

You will have to wait for someone else to talk about carpet. Me and Jeajw1 only know about dirt.

Frozen72

I think that I'm going to get the D-bars for my track and hope that they do good on the other tracks that I run on, grass, and loose sandy dirt. Now it Towerhobbies would just release the tires that would be good.[:@]

HPIFreak

where did you get holeshot and inside jobs from? i never saw them on prolines site. i didnt know they made tires for the Vendetta ST

jaejw1

i had to cut them to fit the vendetta wheels

HPIFreak

could you show like a pictoral of how you did that? the holeshots hook up really well at my local track for the 1/10 electric 4wd buggies.

jaejw1

http://www.one18th.com/forums/showth...ight=holeshots

i will try to find pics..

jaejw1

http://image2-2.rcuniverse.com/e1/fo...31/Ge95282.jpg

http://image2-3.rcuniverse.com/e1/fo...31/Ql32973.jpg

HPIFreak

wow, those holeshots look HUGE in comparison with the stock wheels/tires. is it just me, or are they bigger?

jaejw1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30639920739628

here is a video of me using them on the track..

HPIFreak

yea, but are they the same size as the stock set up? and have you ever thought about trying the HPI Super RS4 wheels and the HPI Super Rally tires?

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXZK77&P=7

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXMX91&P=7

jaejw1

those tires sux for racing... no traction at all.. atleast not on a dirt/clay track... they r slightly bigger than the stock tires but not by much.. i will try to get a pic of the stock tires and the modded tires next to each other..

GravityJunkie

I've been running the stock tires on an indoor clay/wet track with success. However, I put quality foams in them and removed all tread. At the local track, bald is beautiful. All 10th scale drivers do it and I couldn't get used to it. I tried running normal stockers, d-bars, 3 racing mist small pin tires, and even the detta ST street tires. The D-bars were good, but the bald tires are a touch better. However, the real key was a quality foam in the tire.

jaejw1

not every tire works on clay,,,, I didnt like the Dbars at my track,,but they worked awesome at a different track..

the best overall tire for me has been both the crimefighters that I cut up ,, and the holeshot/insidejob...

but foam is the key, I used bomb one inserts for the front wheel of 4wd buggies

banzaij

My Feedback: (1)

What tire/wheels might you suggest for the ST? I realized after ordering some crimefighters and the 3Racing Mini Inferno wheels that they are both narrower and also smaller in diameter than the stock ST wheels. IF I go to a local track, it would most likely be Pegasus (So Cal). No plans for any serious racing, but I'd still want something good for that track.

jaejw1

read the first page

jaejw1

the d-bars work great at pegasus,,,, the best tires for that track,,,,, the next wouldbe the homemade crimefighters and the proline inside/holeshots all depends on the layout,,,

banzaij

My Feedback: (1)

Thanks! I re-read the your first post and realized I overlooked some details. I guess my question came out of not really seeing too much about any specific differences for buggy vs. ST and then realizing that some options really didn't apply to the ST (crimefighters). I'll probably order some d-bars on the next parts order. I have some mini Inferno ST wheels/tires at the moment, but I do recall your point about the wheels cracking. I'm hoping that is less of an issue if I don't quite get the big air that I see in your videos . It would be nice if there were other tire/wheel options at that same size though.

jaejw1

u have to email proline and convince others to dothe same,,,, I spent a few months bugging thm but I didnt have enough support fromother vendetta owners for themto see that theres a market for it
maybe I should create another thread asking for pplto do it again

banzaij

My Feedback: (1)

Works for me. I wish the LHS stocked more Vendetta parts as well. I hate having to mail order stuff, and the LHS is pretty darn big. You can probably get anything for Associated or Losi minis. DTX, and in particular the Vendetta seems to be the stepchild locally.

jaejw1

consumers and lhs refuse to accept the fact that a "duratrax" would actually be a great racer,,,, it would take for owners to start racing them in sanctioned events,,,,, even magazine reviews show it as a great promising racer,,,,,

start a thread to get others to join u,,,, maybe create a generic statement that everyone should use ,,, favoring a good dirt,streat and carpet tire

Frozen72

What I want/need it a good all terrain tire. When I bash in my front yard it requires you to drive in the street to build up speed etc.

jaejw1

u need to use the mini quake monster tires