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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/27/2007 9:31:50 PM

kane

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I don't want to get into the details because my info is second hand. But, Robert took exception to the cut being called for low flying. According to some competitors, the rule is poorly written and some feel the penalty was not justified. I don't have the rule infront of me so I can't comment. With that being said. Robert's airplane after the heat crashed on landing very near the start finish line. At that point I was told that a hard hat was projected across the field and possibly a transmitter. Robert then left the race course leaving his equipment on the start finish line. And those who know the lay out of Muncie, upon reaching the main tent, he was disqualified before he got back to his tent.

See you at the NATS.

Ed can you find the current rules as they were re-written recently.

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/27/2007 9:48:47 PM

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I would agree with you if there wasn't a language barrier.

Mr Van Den Bosch speaks perfect English.

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/27/2007 9:50:18 PM

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Ed can you find the current rules as they were re-written recently.

Dan,

Which rules, F3D?

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/27/2007 10:13:18 PM

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Threw a hard hat once, the difference was that I asked the starter if it would be ok.. He told me that was fine as long as I didn't hit him with it.. The worst part is I walked 75 feet into the desert to get it only to see that it broke on impact..

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/27/2007 10:15:02 PM

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Yes F3D rules, concering the low flying issue.

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/27/2007 10:58:20 PM

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Here's a English site that provides a good summary in English of the racing.

http://pylonracer.co.uk/indexa.html

It also includes this.

Back at the hotel I've finally got the full story on Robert. Yes he got called for a cut for low flying, and totally lost it. He flew his plane (albeit on the glide) directly at the starter and flew it over his head. The starter knew Robert was a good pilot and was aiming at him. The plane flew over the starters head and Robert pulled it into the ground. Then according to Robert he took his helmet off, stuck two fingers up at the starter and threw his helmet at him. The rest is history, a real Schumacher monet me thinks. Robert may find himself facing atwo year ban from pylon and possibly more. Mind you he says he's had enough and needs a break away from it.

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/28/2007 12:04:29 AM

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This link takes you straight to the Britsh team F3d Blog http://www.pylonentries.fsnet.co.uk/indexa.html

Enjoy
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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/28/2007 12:24:46 AM

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Just because Mr. Van Dan Bosch may speak English, I would bet he normally reads the rules in his native language. If the following (I found on the British site) is the current rule, I can definately see a need for it being better defined.

I completely agree that tossing your equiptment and loudly arguing a point is definately out of line, but I see nothing wrong with a civil discusion with a starter.

5.2.8.8. Persistent flying below the top of the pylons shall be considered dangerous. (S)

Overflying the side line shall be considered dangerous. (S)

After passing the first pylon on the first lap of the race, flying below the top of any pylon (to be judged by the pylon judges or the side line judge) and overflying the side line (to be judged by the side line judge) will result as one infringement.

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/28/2007 12:42:07 AM

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Dan,

I do not have an updated copy of F3D rules. I went to the FAI site and it will be down for a day or two.

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/28/2007 3:24:47 AM

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Day 9

http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php?t=73687

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/28/2007 10:28:36 AM

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Hell Dan,

the current rules (Volume F3D) on my Website :

http://www.q500.org/regeln/sc4.f3d.07.zip

All other parts of FAI rules have to be considered also (most important Volume ABR, general section).

Each NAC of a country translates the rules into their foreign language, but the original FAI Documents are mandatory.

"5.2.12.11 The Contest Director has the right to request any competitor to make a flight to demonstrate the
airworthiness of his model aircraft and/or ability to fly the aircraft around the course. If during the
race, the Contest Director considers any model aircraft to be flying erratically, dangerously, or so low
as to endanger Course Officials, he may disqualify the competitor from that heat or from all heats
and require the model aircraft to be landed immediately. Persistent flying below the top of the pylons
shall be considered dangerous. After passing the first pylon on the first lap of the race, flying below
the top of the pylon will result as one infringement. Two or more infringements during the same heat
shall cancel the flight."

"5.2.12.4.
[...] The sideline judges will record as an infringement any over flight of the sideline and any
flight below the height of the pylon as stated in rule 5.2.12.11."

General section makes clear, that flying below means, a part of the airframe is below (Pylon( usually 5m.
It doesn't mean a part of the airframe must be above pylon to get no cut.

What is in your opinion unclear ?

Throwing parts at an offical or verbal slander lead to disqualification (general section).

General section and Volume ABR also applie to To F5D, and all other FAI classes.

best regards,

Mario

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/28/2007 12:32:32 PM

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That is clear enough for me, well written Mario

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/28/2007 3:17:19 PM

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Mario,

That is perfectly clear to me as well. Some competitors currently at the worlds felt it wasn't clear. Not me.

I do not support any of the actions of Robert. He truely deserves what he received if not MORE!

All I was doing was conveying the info from the worlds at the time.

DK

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/28/2007 3:22:01 PM

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That is far clearer than the rule I found.

Does anyone know if Robert was given a warning for low flying, or was he immediately zero'd for two infringements.

NORMALLY, a warning is given prior to giving a cut or zero'ing someone.

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/28/2007 3:41:27 PM

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NORMALLY, a warning is given prior to giving a cut or zero'ing someone.

If anybody thinks they have been treated unfairly by the contest management there is a procedure.

The Team manager is given the details. The team manager puts up a cash deposit and approaches the Jury. The Jurys decision is final. If it is in the favour of the complainent the money is refunded.

The behaviour described, if true, is unforgivable, anytime anywhere. Maybe we should apply similar discipline at our contests.

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RE: Muncie World Champs - 6/28/2007 3:47:06 PM

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Well, if he was looking for a break, sounds like he'll get it. I can't believe some one would intentionally fly a plane at someone like that(if true).. I personally give the starter a pat on the back for not going over there and dropping the pilot where he stood. I don't know that I would have had that kind of refrain after a blatantly unsafe move at that..

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