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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 5/30/2008 11:40:54 PM   
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Six countries now that is cool.

I have no doubt that Goose will be in the air before I start. I am also willing to wager that that is going to be one quick airplane....
I really think that it may be possible with the right setup to push the airframe better than 250, as long as you can keep the frontal area low.

When I get around to building mine there are a few ideas I want to try on it, I'll keep you posted...
One of these is to bury as much of the hardware for the controls within the airframe to do it, that is where the cooling duct would come into play. I think if you keep the control horns and links out of the high speed airflow over the exterior you will reduce drag quite a bit. And I plan to use rudders as well so I've already added more hardware that would be hanging out there, so that is one thing I have to keep in mind.

Oh by the way how did your winglets work out?

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 5/30/2008 11:55:28 PM   
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And I plan to use rudders as well so I've already added more hardware that would be hanging out there, so that is one thing I have to keep in mind.

Oh by the way how did your winglets work out?

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Winglets worked out fine. Could hardly tell a difference in the way it flew. They do like to hang up on any thing that gets close when moving it but I have not broken one yet.

Rudders did allow snaps and knife edge flight but may take away a little from top speed. Rudders were nice for take off with landing gear installed

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 5/31/2008 1:25:55 AM   
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mike, sent you a pm...

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 5/31/2008 1:42:59 AM   
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I also want to thank you here Mike, on your very thread from which I decided to buy the screamin demon.. thanks for the smooth business!

The kit probably will arrive to my doorstep sometime next week and it will hopefully be up and flying at the end of june. I really liked the fluorescent orange & B/W checkers covering design some of the fellas used here and with their kind permission I would like to copy it

Ive just bought a brand new TT46 Pro with a nice pricetag ( i couldnt resist) and wanted to give it a try as I heard nothing but good things about this engine. (and also it can supply nearly 200km/h of speed for this bird. )
I will most likely spare my next jett 60LX for this delta once I get used to the huge speed

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 5/31/2008 4:44:20 AM   
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The kit probably will arrive to my doorstep sometime next week ...... I really liked the fluorescent orange & B/W checkers covering design some of the fellas used here and with their kind permission I would like to copy it

Ive just bought a brand new TT46 Pro with a nice pricetag ( i couldnt resist) and wanted to give it a try as I heard nothing but good things about this engine. (and also it can supply nearly 200km/h of speed for this bird. )
I will most likely spare my next jett 60LX for this delta once I get used to the huge speed

Erol,
I thought that was you when I saw you were from Turkey. The kit left Chicago yesterday and is probably over the Atlantic as I type.

Check out my testimonial page and you will see that you will be the third person using the fluorescent orange with checkers on my kit. It does look good. The first one also had a Jett 60LX.

TT46 Pro is a good engine plus it is great on my kit. 200km/h should not be a problem with a 9x7. The 60LX will take you will above that.

Post some pictures and a video here when you get done.

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 5/31/2008 4:47:50 AM   
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mike, sent you a pm...

My full kits are sold out but I may have a deal for you since you are local.

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 5/31/2008 5:04:40 AM   
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GOT MY SERVOS 2DAY GOING TO PUT THEM BETWEEN THE HACH AND THE 2ND RIB SO I CAN PUT THEM AS FAR BACK AS POSSABLE ... THE BAT. IS BLOCKING THE BACK PART OF HACH.

PUT IT ALL TOGETHER TODAY JUST TO C WERE THE CG. IS GOING TO HIT ...IM GOING TO B AROUND 1/2 INCH FORWARD OF FRONT SPAR...SO PROB NEED 1OZ IN THE TAIL.

CONGRATZ ON ALL THEM BEING SOLD MIKE... R U GOING TO EVER MAKE THEM AGAIN??
(SO WHEN I CRASH THIS ONE I CAN MAKE A NOTHER??...LOL )

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 5/31/2008 5:31:27 AM   
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GOT MY SERVOS 2DAY GOING TO PUT THEM BETWEEN THE HACH AND THE 2ND RIB SO I CAN PUT THEM AS FAR BACK AS POSSABLE ... THE BAT. IS BLOCKING THE BACK PART OF HACH.

PUT IT ALL TOGETHER TODAY JUST TO C WERE THE CG. IS GOING TO HIT ...IM GOING TO B AROUND 1/2 INCH FORWARD OF FRONT SPAR...SO PROB NEED 1OZ IN THE TAIL.

CONGRATZ ON ALL THEM BEING SOLD MIKE... R U GOING TO EVER MAKE THEM AGAIN??
(SO WHEN I CRASH THIS ONE I CAN MAKE A NOTHER??...LOL )

I put my servos in front of the rear spar as shown on the plans and pushed the batt. as far back as possible behind the rear spar. Then 3 oz of lead behind the batt. to balance on the front spar.

We will see if there is any demand in the future for the kit. ARFs have become very popular but I do not have the time to build that many. Maybe some retired person would like to take it over.

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 5/31/2008 11:44:03 PM   
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40,000 is too fast, you wont be able to spin a small enough prop to keep the power down under 70 amps on anything. my medusa's have been very good.

I am running a 6S with a 2500 kv motor with a 6x5.5 clipped prop. you have to really watch it with the power.

My 8S 1600 kv setup with the 8x6 apc was a real screamer in the little nitro bobcat. It was so stinkin fast, it was hard to fly. I reprogrammed it today and sloooooowed everything down for the speed. the new 9303 is a sweet radio, just switched it over.

Im making slow progress on the deamon, now a likety split, as i went to the winglets. sorry, too much to do.

We do have a spear design, very similar to this design, with an a20 hacker in runner and 3S 2100 that can easily do 90 on a dive, so Im really looking forward to this baby. It easily has better than 1 to 1, as it will lift out of your hands at 1/2 throttle.

sorry guys, going as fast as I can....

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 6/1/2008 1:29:59 AM   
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Goose,
Your kat look awesome!!!
Sound like it is a real screamer.

The 40,000 rpm is what it is rated for in a DF unit I doubt that I will be able to swing a prop that fast. Although I have to admit a df deamon might be something cool to try.It is just a motor I have on hand, I probably would want to do a setup that was around 1KW for the deamon. Thats roughly 1.25 Hp that should be enough at least to start. lol I am thinking of going with a high voltage primary supply to keep the current down lower, the new castle creations controllers will take 50 volt input of upwards of 100 amp output. They have a 40 amp 50 volt version that I would like to try with a neu motor. Using the HS-DK-4 Developer Cell I think I can spread out the batteries in the airframe for a 6 to 8 cell setup even given the amount of room in there. The only limit would be the weight of the cells.

I am wondering about using the winglets after what Mike said, I don't intend to be doing any knife edge flight with this one...
at least not on purpose....

Don't feel bad I got my kit long before you and have not started it yet. Talk about slow!!!

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 6/1/2008 6:13:58 AM   
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Goose,
Your kat look awesome!!!
Sound like it is a real screamer.

The 40,000 rpm is what it is rated for in a DF unit I doubt that I will be able to swing a prop that fast. Although I have to admit a df deamon might be something cool to try.It is just a motor I have on hand, I probably would want to do a setup that was around 1KW for the deamon. Thats roughly 1.25 Hp that should be enough at least to start. lol I am thinking of going with a high voltage primary supply to keep the current down lower, the new castle creations controllers will take 50 volt input of upwards of 100 amp output. They have a 40 amp 50 volt version that I would like to try with a neu motor. Using the HS-DK-4 Developer Cell I think I can spread out the batteries in the airframe for a 6 to 8 cell setup even given the amount of room in there. The only limit would be the weight of the cells.

I am wondering about using the winglets after what Mike said, I don't intend to be doing any knife edge flight with this one...
at least not on purpose....

Don't feel bad I got my kit long before you and have not started it yet. Talk about slow!!!


OK.

6 cell A123 is good for about 14 volts loaded at 70 amps. thats about 1KW. 8 cell about 1200 w. I was able to stuff 6 in line...see my pics in the thread here. would have to use the wings for more because of the controller and the main thing is Cooling. I cut a hole in the firewall for the inlet behind the motor, and a big hole around the servos in the back, and opened up the bulkheads so air flows. it will have a small spoiler in front of the exit. But the cool part is no fuselage persay. it looks like a flying wing.

A small prop on this one is ok because it has little drag. I was using a proven system. I ran the power system 6S 2500Kv on the nitrocat before just to test it. it was delivering around 800 watts consistently when warm and midrange on batteries. with the higer voltage, it unloads superbly, but that airframe is draggy. It would scoot about 90mph. You could tell the static thrust just wasnt quite what was needed but it would still climb straight up. If I were gonna try to make a total screamer, then up the motor to a 1600 or 1900 kv motor and go 8S, but I dont know how you would get 8 btts in there, but the power difference between the two is pretty big, and wires get hot fast above 1000 watts.

when you fly electric, hammer it on the downline and level, and begin to ease off after you start your climb or you will melt things at this level. The motor loads as the plane slows, and we saw over 100 amps once and it will max out the controller and cut. for 6S I set the cut to 12 volts. For 8 S its at 12 volts but I time my flights to 6 mins and its been using about 1700, gives me a couple go arounds. thats on the nitrocat.

Im sure I could lighten it with a 30C 4000 6S lipo and it would perform well, but it heats up when I run the 4S 3000 30C, so once I get the 123s dialed in, thats that.

I dont know if I told you all that we intentionally overcharged a 3 pack in a test to over 5 volts and they got smokin hot and the shell protruded, but they stayed in tact, and the next morning they self discharged. very good battery, just a tad heavy.

ok, back to the speedys.

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 6/1/2008 12:23:29 PM   
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MY BEST FLYING BUDDY CRASHED HIS BEST HELI YESTERDAY,BUT THIS IS GOOD NEWS FOR ME...
NOW HE NEED MONEY TO GET PARTS 4 IT ,SO HES GOT A HEADER AND TUNED PIPE THAT WILL FIT MY K&B .48 AND SELLEN TO ME FOR $50.00 AWSOME!!! NOW MY SCREAMIN DEMON WILL B SCREAMIN!!!

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 6/1/2008 7:12:21 PM   
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A HEADER AND TUNED PIPE THAT WILL FIT MY K&B .48 AND SELLEN TO ME FOR $50.00 AWSOME!!!

Not only will it be faster, it may balance better.

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RE: (Something Fast?) Delta Build Thread - 6/1/2008 9:47:43 PM   
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Goose thanks for the info!
100 amps wow that's a lot of juice talk about melting stuff.
I know an 8 cell setup is a bit much for this frame, I had thought about using li-pols but like you I like the robust performance the A-123's can deliver.
I did not know you could pump 5 volts int the a 123 and live to talk about it. lol Very interesting just how much "abuse" the can handle and still survive, I still find the amount of current that can be drawn from them and they will recover, totally amazing. I just wish that they would produce a few more cell sizes so we could play around with them a bit more.
The one reason I mentioned the HV setup is that in my understanding is that with electric power systems that there will be less heat and current drop when using a higher supply voltage. And as we all know heat is the weakness of electrical systems.
I have one plane that is a twin setup with a 600 watt motor spinning a prop which has a hyperflow ducted fan added in the tail to vent the heat of the ECS's and Batteries, stays pretty cool overall.

My plan to be able to fit the A123's was to add just a bit of a fuse to the forward part of the airframe to add a bit of internal space.
Only problem with that is the added frontal area and how much HP that is going to eat up...

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