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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/8/2007 10:59 PM   
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Does any one know of any decent free shopping cart softwear?


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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/8/2007 11:16 PM   
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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/8/2007 11:25 PM   
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........................ dont need a heap of trees around on maiden tho,as it will cover ground a lot quicker than the MM.
A footy oval is good,2 is better...seriously,a great plane.(mine is pulling around 30amps at WOT currently...why not I say up up and away )
Get her up mate,you will not regret it.
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Well I'm pretty sure this makes me a fully fledged member of the aussie bbq and beers thread

......I'll tell ya about it later .........just going to analyse what happened on the SIM ..........none of you ****s told me it was gunna fly like a slow stick (or what I image a slow stick flies like)

........and I forgot that first rule.....GET SOME HEIGHT!!

Thanks for pushing me bleary...and I mean that! .....damage is minimal and I now reckon I know what to expect.....back tomorrow if the prop shaft is OK



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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/8/2007 11:33 PM   
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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/8/2007 11:57 PM   
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That is a good idea Machette ill be doing that from now on. i dunno why i didnt before.

DI warned me about short leads on the minimag and suggested the colours.....so when I made them longer I took the opportunity to slide on the red and green wrap ......my coloured wrap/spaghetti wouldn't fit over the servo plugs ..........and this tight arse wouldn't use extender leads but soldered them up out of some computer leads (didn't have any expenders/fly leads anyway)

DB, I'm quite happy I found out about how the MUS flew to that accident .........I'll have it by the balls next time ....damage is minimal and I didn't tear the cloth (if I can use an old term) .......this shrinky placcie crap on the wings scars me to death as to how it's applied .....I know I will find out soon enough .....but not yet please!

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 12:40 AM   
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kx315 - is always a good thing to have respect of any new maiden. Remember - check all your control deflections (so you don't have reveresed aileron, elevator etc) and most importantly climb out to a safe altitude (like 30m) before you start trimming. If you have the experience you don't have to wait for perfectly still day, but try and make sure it isn't a gusty day.

That's it from me for the moment.

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Thanks for the advises OZ all has been checked and re checked, the wind is not really the problem for the most part is is always windy in Perth and I now make a point of pushing my limits and flying when its windy. Anyway not really in a hurry as yet to fly the MPXT still have some other models to bash about first

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 12:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Guys - will the next crash step up here please? Sorry to see that bird dying like it did - resurrection is the name of the game! Can't help ya Woodsy, but there seems to be about a dozen companies worldwide all using the same website profile - seek and ye shall find
Well sonofSatan is almost arisen from the bowels of the Earth Just got the elevons and servos to attach, locate the tiny lipo and the leccy bits. keeping elevon control as normal to save weight. And it is bloody light!!! Will it fly indoors? For all those of a nervous disposition look away ......

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 12:49 AM   
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Been playing with a piece of customer kit this morning - which has put me in the mood to do something less frustrating. Wind seems low - thinking about gliding the Easystar... we will see.

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 1:00 AM   
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Being my first balsa model it is scaring me for some silly reason I know I can fly it and it has flow before (purchased it in as new condition from Bleary) just waiting for that perfect day!! Seeing DB's disaster did not help much lol.

I'll take one lesson from it though do all the proper pre flight checks I tend to be a bit of a bull at a gate sometimes


Oh dear,watch out kx.Firstly I would disregard all my trim settings and definately change that prop to something with less pitch,as well as add in a tad of up trim for the maiden,she was a bit of a diver in the setup that I sold it to you.Maybe even take off the wheel pants for the first couple of flights.My lipo was shoved way back,I would consider putting a small amount of lead in the arse end,I could never get the balance back enough,and I think this didnt help the nose heavy setup,remember you have a V8 under the bonnet mate.
Steady,steady and get her high....any questions,ring me before you guess,hate to see another prang.
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Hi Bleary I have been tinkering with it ever since I picked it up from you, I have re set all of the control surfaces to low rates as per the manual and all looks good on the ground, I purchased the same battery pack you were using and as you say it needs to be pushed back a fair way, as far as I can tell using the CG in the manual the balance seems ok to me, it mite be very very very slightly nose heavy but all of my other models I have set up in the same manner and adjusted as I go along personally this has worked for me however good advise is always appreciated and taken on board. With regard to the prop it has a 10x8 on at the moment what would you suggest? (not scared of V8's as all of my cars since getting my license twenty years ago have been one lol)


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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 1:05 AM   
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It looks like death warmed up at this point... but I am sure you will work it out!

In regards to the stryker motor... I am thinking I might give it a go... I can get one for about 20 bucks. The only problem I see is that the prop I will be running is a bit bigger and it may cook it really quickly. I just did not want to spend too much until I am sure I can handle it better. I already have a brushed ESC and RX gear so all good.

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 1:13 AM   
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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 1:16 AM   
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Sorry to hear mate! I know how you feel. I am about to order some replacement gear for my P51 and try again!

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 1:26 AM   
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Question from wifey - do all Australians have private swimming pools. Watches an Aussie programme about Airport Custom Control - one guy was of Aboriginal origin and a Rabbi - how does that happen? Almost time for bed, flying in the morning, maiden Satan Wednesday!! byeee.

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 1:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Daaaamn machette, bad luck with the MUS, i've seen a few vids of it on youtube and i got the impression that the handling was pretty eratic - in a good way! Looks very maneuverable.

I had a quick EZ* flight after work yesterday and i've finally nailed it, it's perfect. I moved the control linkage one hole closer to the rudder as per the suggestions of a few websites and this did the trick, i probably get 15mm travel each way now and it's much easier to turn, especially at my typically wussy glide speeds.

Off to Northam on Thursday for a 4:45am ( ) hot air ballooning flight on Friday (best girlfriend ever got it for me for my 21st), can't wait. I'm taking the EZ* because the winds are virtually non existant up that way this week.

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 1:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		hey Tam,

Not everybody has a pool, but a great deal of us do! I don't yet, but it is in the planning! But then I am on 2.5 acres, so I have the room!

In regards to motors, I have to order some parts for the P51 and I will get a new stryker motor (less than $20) and see if I can put a smaller prop to try and save it from cooking.

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 2:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Machette,man sorry to see that mate damn what a bugger.I have never had a slow stick,so cant comment on the similarity,but mine flies fast or slow really,and can actually float a bit into the wind,but I always tend to keep a little power on as I am paranoid of stalling it.Good luck in the repair mate,sorry if I pushed you into it... oops.
Kx,a 10x8 should be fine,but will still be pretty quick as that is a lot of pitch.I can't remember if I told you,but I never really got that thing trimmed properly and it wanted to nose down a fair bit at neutral trim,so it may help to add a little up trim for the maiden as sudden lunges towards the deck can be a bit unerving first up.Good luck anyway and let us know how it goes.
My foam Su-31 also arrived and looks quite nice apart from the instructions and parts looking rather different from what is in the box,and no control throws or COG given in jinglish or otherwise... Guess I will work it out,but of the top of anyones head who knows,does the 25amp towerpro ESC in the yellow shrinkwrap auto detect cell count? I know that the 30amp one does,never had a 25amp one though.(it came with the kit along with a little outrunner of unknown specs and a 10x5 prop)
Once again,sorry Machette,feel like a bit of a **** mate.
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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 2:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tam, most aussie have a pool.....but we generally get over it and use the neighbours .....they are in the same catagory as lawns and wives....bit high on the maintenance list

Aquadhere setting nicely .......fuse reassembled .......heading out to find a missing cross bar the wing pins to .......thought I'd picked everything up

I still say thankyou bleary ....some of us need a push ......she's going back together nicely.


Please advise if this outfit is OK for what I'm about to do......tomorrow.
MUS has 9050 prop on EMax BL2215/20 1200kv controlled by XPower30A Esc fuelled by 2200mAh20C LiPo ......D/R set to book......set DX6 to limit rudder to 60% (my left thumb has a mind of it's own I know) ........leave throttle 100% maybe (after this mornings effort)

quick explanation of bingle......took off into light breeze ........was surprised how gutless it was........lifted off nicely and aileroned left/elevator.....rightaileron levelled .......left aileron/elevator (still not turned off left enough for the turn, nor enough speed).......loosing height and aileroned off the knife edge again but went in fairly level catching the prop and pulling the nose underneath breaking it off pretty cleanly.

.....won't add any more ......would all be hindsight anyway

One aileron servo stripped and the motor shaft copped a hiding.......always something else to fix

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 2:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Was that at full throttle machette that it seemed gutless? I suspect that the problem may be your motor.I use a 10x7 on a HXT outrunner at the moment (waiting on new shaft for the EFlight 480) and mine will climb like a monkey on crack..in fact of all my planes on 3S,this one has the most outrageous vertical and instant power.It goes from 0 to 100 in a flash and is very handy for blasting out of trouble and dragging the airframe along behind it.I think that this is the best way to fly this plane,rather than floating around on the wing.Looking at the specs for that emax,it may be a bit borderline in the amps it can handle.I will see if I can find a link to the sort I have on mine at the moment.
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Edit:I think that this is the one that I have on it at the moment.Really it is slight overkill,but as you can see it is probably twice the weight and size as the emax,but the MUS handles it fine,and it behaves like a rocketship.

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 3:22 AM   
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Bleary, I don't need my MUS to fly like a monkey on crack as I couldn't keep up .....I have this EMax 1200kv and I want to fly again without leaving home ......I'll deal with the gutless part but maybe some advise on props.....I have in my prop box one more 9050 and a 1060 .....I'm going for the big one as I have the 30A esc and we'll see how it feels.
I'll give myself more than the 75 ft I had this morning before the trees hehheeeee .....so I can do some climbing before I turn her back .......also will start off with a fly past instead of this bad habit I have of standing behind the plane (Crawfs fault) during takeoff......flys out of sight too fast and best I stand upfield during takeoff.

other than that I'll go practice with something gutless on the Sim (it's a RealFlight so I'll dial up a some crap power) while the glue drys.

edit....was 1/4 throttle I reckon heheheeeee.....the typhoon in the MM uses the bottom end of the stick......I'll have to get used to being in the top end of the throttle travel I reckon....I'll play with it on the ground first

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 3:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I looked at the mtr bleary....I see it will handle an 1000gmsplusplane and is also only 1100kv ........hmmmm .......better I get a coffee and think about this

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 3:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Put the 10x6 on and see how it feels at full throttle and make sure that the motor is not getting warm.Can you check amps at all? sometimes putting a bigger prop on can make things worse if the motor is struggling a bit.If it feels like it pulls stronger then go with it for sure.Re the monkey with the habit,even though you may not use the power all the time,it sure is nice to be able to blast out of trouble when you get into a "situation" down low(plus being honest too,thrashing the pants off an overpowered plane like the MUS is great fun)
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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 3:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahem,ignore my motor choice Machette it was all I had to fit at the time and is definately overkill,but fun though.1200kv is getting up a bit in kv,but should still fly it ok with the right prop,thats why it may pay to check with the 10x6 that the amps aren't too high.The Eflight 480 I had on it was a nice mix of power and weight for this plane,now I have to put my lipo under the wing to balance it due to the great lump of motor I have on the front...strangely addictive though,not sure I will be able to give it up.
I wouldn't be taking off or slowly gaining altitude at quarter throttle either,give her plenty of herbs and get to some height before backing off to trim it out,you may find that it needs a bit of trimming straight up,mine did.
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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 4:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Machette,

Definitely full power takeoff and climbout - worry about finding your stall point once you are settled. Remember on a maiden your mission is to get as far away from the ground as quickly as possible.

As for standing behind the plane - exactly the right place. An untrimmed plane will probably dip a wingtip on takeoff - the best way to make sure you correct immediately and in the correct direction is to make sure your orientation is identical to the plane's. Look at it this way - if the plane is fast and starts to fly out of sight then just pull the nose up and give it as much altitude as possible. If it's not that fast, then you have time to sort stuff out before you make your first turn.

Sorry - I know - 20/20 hindsight etc. Good luck with the remaiden.

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 4:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Guys .....I'm reading every word and appreciate it muchly

I have a 950kv here in the same 2215 EMax ......but I've fitted the 2215/20 1200kv with a 1060 prop and I'll see how much grunt it has when the glue sets a bit more.

Chose to aquadhere the whole thing so it can pop apart again

here's how her damaged side came up .....fuse was torn right across just forward of the wing edge ......came up a treat

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RE: The Australian bbq and beers - 10/9/2007 4:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Eyesights crap OZ need her not to get too far away.....orientations like a rock now......never ever give up when the MMs going in and never loose orientation any more at all. (inverted may be another ball game however)

I have memorised the Mission ..............then I can throttle back and have a glide and a feel

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