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RE: Honeybee King v2 t... - 5/8/2008 7:00:27 AM   
Zimatosa


 

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I am also experiencing a constant counter clockwise rotation that I cannot get rid of by moving the servo. I tried replacing the tail blades, increasing the gain but not having much luck - is it being above the equator? This might be an Aussy chopper.


You said you could not get rid of it by moving the servo. Did you mean that you physically moved the entire servo up the boom or did you mean moved it by giving right stick? Try firing the heli up and initializing the gyro(make sure trim is in the absolute center for the rudder). Check to see if the servo's arm is 90 degrees str8 up. If it is not, unscrew servo horn and reattach to servo as close to str8 up as possible. Then test fly....It will probably not be fixed yet(if it is great) but you need to test to see how far it is off.... Remember do not trim yet with radio on this test!! Turn OFF heli and loosen the two screws holding the servo and slide(mark the point on the boom before you slide for a reference point) the servo assembly up the boom toward the front of the heli in 2mm increments(re-tightening and testing each time) until your tail holds. You can fine tune with trim later if you are close but remember that the trim has to be re-centered every time you disconnect and reconnect power for the Gyro to initialize.

Hope this helps and that you have not tried this yet ( I suck at typing!!!)...Hehehe

Z

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RE: Honeybee King v2 t... - 5/8/2008 10:54:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Extreme adjustable links IMO were a great investment. Tracking off by 1/4 in? 1/8-1/4 turn and whamo... Tracking dead on. No need to pull the links. Makes is real nice and simple. half a turn with normal links = 1/4 turn on the extremes.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 t... - 5/8/2008 12:43:20 PM   
osterizer


 

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I don't think this is unsafe....I do it all the time when tracking blades. I always wear safety glasses and it makes it easy to look at. If you feel it is unsafe for you or your hand, do another way. I have also just hovered the heli in the driveway to look at tracking. That is fun but if you are not in the hovering stage, it won't work. What else do you do? Tape it to the bench or put your dumb-bells on the skids?? Hehehe If you have better ways, I have an open mind....


I used to put a 1/2" ratchet handle through the skids to hold it in one place on the ground. It doesn't take a lot of weight to hold it in place. Whatever- safety glasses won't save your complexion (Vic's welding mask might be sufficient ) from a flybar paddle or blade coming off or breaking, or from an accidental control input breaking your grip. As usual, the just-starting-out phase is the most difficult, I guess.

I'm a little surprised at this line of conversation, but to each his own I suppose. I doubt it's as dangerous as peaking the needle on a small glow plane (about cut the last segment off my thumb with a .46 once), but that's a necessary operation. Spinning a heli in your hand isn't necessary, so I wouldn't take that risk. Obviously the King is a lot less worrisome than a larger one, but I still wouldn't do it. YMMV.


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RE: Honeybee King v2 t... - 5/8/2008 2:16:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zimatosa


quote:

ORIGINAL: goofyfoot

I am also experiencing a constant counter clockwise rotation that I cannot get rid of by moving the servo. I tried replacing the tail blades, increasing the gain but not having much luck - is it being above the equator? This might be an Aussy chopper.


You said you could not get rid of it by moving the servo. Did you mean that you physically moved the entire servo up the boom or did you mean moved it by giving right stick? Try firing the heli up and initializing the gyro(make sure trim is in the absolute center for the rudder). Check to see if the servo's arm is 90 degrees str8 up. If it is not, unscrew servo horn and reattach to servo as close to str8 up as possible. Then test fly....It will probably not be fixed yet(if it is great) but you need to test to see how far it is off.... Remember do not trim yet with radio on this test!! Turn OFF heli and loosen the two screws holding the servo and slide(mark the point on the boom before you slide for a reference point) the servo assembly up the boom toward the front of the heli in 2mm increments(re-tightening and testing each time) until your tail holds. You can fine tune with trim later if you are close but remember that the trim has to be re-centered every time you disconnect and reconnect power for the Gyro to initialize.

Hope this helps and that you have not tried this yet ( I suck at typing!!!)...Hehehe

Z



I have been moving the entire servo with the arm at 90 degrees, still no luck. I think it might be the belt. This will be the first one I will have changed so not experienced on what happens to them. It is not broken but might have some teeth missing. This would make sense as the anti-clockwise turn would not be compensated because the rotor blade is not spinning fast enough. Will post what I find.
I am also ordering the Extreme links today.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 t... - 5/8/2008 3:28:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know this sounds oversimplistsic but have you checked belt tension? I know alot of people are scared to run the belt very tight and as it loosens over time it can start slipping and cause the tail to not spin as fast and lose authority. I think you are on the right path by checking it for missing teeth also. Your gyro is typically not the cause of a heli only spinning one direction out of control and when the loss of control is going with the torque of the main rotors I have found more often than not that the belt was either too loose or not spinning the tail with the necessary rpm's to offset the torque (sometimes twisted). You might also remove the pitch control rod from the servo at the horn (tail) and move it back and forth with your hand and feel if there is any resistance at all on the bell crank or pitch slider, I haven't seen fatshaft syndrome in awhile but it is worth a look, any resistance from the shaft to the pitch collar can cause a loss of control as well. Just a couple of suggestions.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 ... - 5/8/2008 4:22:44 PM   
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Has anyone tried the Throttle Governor Mode on the Castlecreations Phoenix 35 controller?

Jim

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RE: Honeybee King v2 ... - 5/8/2008 5:08:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have experimented with them but I do not know I will have your answer, I will give it a shot though, lol.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 ... - 5/8/2008 9:12:06 PM   
Zimatosa


 

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I have experimented with them but I do not know I will have your answer, I will give it a shot though, lol.


I think that was his only question...Elaborate on Beta!! Hehe

Z

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RE: Honeybee King v2 ... - 5/8/2008 10:47:37 PM   
betapilot


 

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Status: offline 		Well okay, governor mode keeps your rotor speed constant by monitoring your esc's input and adjusting it as necessary in order to keep the headspeeds constant regardless of the load on your blades. I do not believe you can run in governor mode effectively without a programmable radio. There are different throttle and pitch curves needed for running in governor mode and you will need to match them to the esc with the transmitter, there is a formula for each esc to calibrate to stock tx's but I have never done it personally on a stock tx and each manufacturer has their own dance you have to perform to get that done. I do know that if you get a good one like the quark, it is a really nice way to fly since it actually ramps like a real heli (super soft) and it will not cause heat and wear issues and I do know that on an outrunner which I assume you are running on your king, you will need to set your gov mode to high and then set your curves. If a more technical explanation is required you will have to call cause I hate typing. For now Jim, I would run with it and the brake off unless you think you are ready to program your radio and start experimenting with some settings, I will be glad to help if so.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 ... - 5/9/2008 1:22:31 AM   
osterizer


 

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Hi everyone,

Has anyone tried the Throttle Governor Mode on the Castlecreations Phoenix 35 controller?

Jim


The governor on the Castle 25 and 35 controllers is very good, enough that I don't think I ever ran the King with variable throttle. Setting it up, you should select a gear that will get you your target head speed at about 90% throttle. With that done, you set the throttle curve flat at the level that gives you the head speed you want in whatever mode you're setting; the only exception is that in normal, you want the lowest point to be zero since that's where you'll initialize the ESC (normal mode and collective stick all the way down). Be sure to turn on the soft start, though, and set it to one of the very soft settings; spin up is then plugging everything in and then moving the collective stick to just a little less than center (a little negative pitch to keep it planted) and then the ESC handles getting it up to flight speed.


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RE: Honeybee King v2 t... - 5/9/2008 2:50:32 AM   
jeremycann08


 

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Status: offline 		how do i get my brand new hbk 2 to track straight?

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RE: Honeybee King v2 ... - 5/9/2008 2:57:58 AM   
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