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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/6/2008 6:10:55 AM   
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Thats the same packaged batteries I get from Hong Kong, only I pay about 37$ for 2 of them including the shipping (batteries were 9.94 for 2 rest was shipping)

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/6/2008 6:15:37 AM   
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neither one as they way about 150 grams and that is HEAVY. makes the copter kinda mushy and a little slower to react, momentum and all.
Heli direct has some 1850 batteries or had some that only weighed about 110 grams each!

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/6/2008 9:10:32 PM   
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Hey Hamid - Sorry about the late reply, I promised my kids we would go to the lake for the fourth, lol.

Actually buddy my favorite tail upgrade is this
http://www.castlerockhobbies.com/product_p/hdx300-15v3-b.htm

It is actually hdx (sonix) and it does require lite modification since your boom is 7.5mm and the tail case is 8mm, I use a slip collar but heatshrink works well also. The action is superior and the toughness of this tail upgrade is unmatched from everything I have tested. I do run it with the batwing align tail blades or the hdx tail blades to add that little bit of authority. This tail upgrade also gives you more pitch throw each direction so you gain a little authority by proxy. Pm me if you want one cause I discount parts for guys from my threads.

On the blades, the thinner blades will make it harder to maintain a hover and add quickness to your inputs in forward flight due to the reduced wing surface. When a blade is thinner its chord line is altered and therefore so are the characteristics of the lift it produces, the greater the angle of the chord line the quicker the response to input. Flying a shorter blade reduces drag and therefore increases headspeeds given thrust remains the same. Either way you will be required to alter your set-up if you choose to deviate from the stock blade size. On a helicopter, everything is give and take, there is no single adjustment you can make without compensation or offset in another area, if you change the length of the main blade to shorter there will be less drag so your tails authority will change and adjustment will be required to match them up again. I recommend the frp 288's myself, it is the only blade I run on my kings anymore, they are barely more than a set of woodies pricewise and they are 5 times as strong and offer good hover characteristics and forward flight control.

The 1500 esky battery is 10c like the stock battery, the only esky batteries that are 20c are the t-energy batteries that esky is selling (1800 & 2200). In a king I do not fly a battery over 110g no matter what numbers are on it, just because it will fly doesn't mean you should fly it. I do not like stressing my parts and really am not so old I cannot walk over and change a battery every 7 minutes when needed. I fly the outrage 1300 25c at 105g's and it gets me 7 minutes solid and I am ready to take a smoke break after that anyway, lol. They offer unreal performance, they are light and fit well even in a stock canopy, they do not cost much more than the cheap chinese no names and offer that crash replacement which to me makes it a no-brainer. The 1800 outrage is the only exception to my rule and it is used only when I am out of other batteries but I will use it cause once again the performance is there. These batteries will wake up the little esky brushless if that is what you have to run, but I still strongly recommend the 3800 if you go esky. If you do run the 3800 I would run either a 10t or an 11t on it, remember it is a torque motor and not designed to be flown with all of the pitch curve being in the higher rpms like headspeed motors, it creates its power in lower rpms. I just think there are better motors for $30 bucks out there that offer better quality and performance and same with the esc, these are not the areas to be short changing your helicopter.

On the 43t, I have no real opinion other than my experience with excessive belt wear and premature belt failure using a number of different methods of guiding the belt on to the pulley, it did offer better resistance to torque though so buy it if you feel you need it. You know microheli has come out with their new 44t billet bulley set-up but I have not had a chance to test it yet, my first one will be here first of the week and if it is righteous I will post my findings and recommendations, I will tell you I like the color better already though, lol.

Sorry about the lengthy post but wanted to answer all of your questions at once

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/6/2008 10:22:16 PM   
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hey beta, if you had the chance to read my earlier posts, then you know my current setup and problems. here's a concise version: esky 3800 and 25A ESC. generic 1500mAh 12C. heli doesn't wanna lift or stay in the air (my and everyone's guess is too low discharge rate of batt). currently on my 7CHP i have pitch at -3, 0, +10 and throttle at 0, 50, 100 using 10t. when i increase the pitch curve at mid and 3/4 stick, the heli does lift a little better as the motor seems to do fine at those lower rpms. noting how you emphasized the 3800 motor being more about torque, would a better curve be -3, +5, +10? my heli weighs 387g and battery is 95g. stock blades.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/6/2008 11:18:43 PM   
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hey beta, if you had the chance to read my earlier posts, then you know my current setup and problems. here's a concise version: esky 3800 and 25A ESC. generic 1500mAh 12C. heli doesn't wanna lift or stay in the air (my and everyone's guess is too low discharge rate of batt). currently i have pitch at -3, 0, +10 and throttle at 0, 50, 100 using 10t. it seems that when i alter the pitch curve on my 7CHP, to increase it at mid and 3/4 stick, the heli does lift a little better. noting how you emphasized the 3800 motor being more about torque, would a better curve be -3, +5, +10? my heli weighs 387g and battery is 95g. stock blades.


Well I don't honestly think the discharge rate has as much to do with it as where pitch engages in relation to throttle and here is why, I still fly my stock 1000mah 10c batteries for as long as they will go, lol. I typically run the danlion 3200 or 3500 on the kings and the 3500 has roughly the same specs as the 3800 esky as far as amp draw and wattage output and they have no problem with getting in the air and staying there and this is using the danlion 33a esc. I can fly a stock battery for about 3-4 minutes before the esc shuts it down. I start at -2 and rarely go higher than +8 in normal mode and just modify from there to suite you best, I like my bird to lift right over 50% throttle.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/7/2008 1:20:42 AM   
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Hey Rusty...keep the lengthy posts coming...great info......my Danlion is loving my new Futaba TX..thanks,,,Steve

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/7/2008 2:11:35 AM   
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can anyone recomend a good servo brand for the hbk2 that will fit without any mods.and is resonably priced

thanks

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/7/2008 3:13:11 AM   
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anyone know where the cheapest place online I can get a hbk2 besides ebay?

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/7/2008 3:52:52 AM   
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anyone know where the cheapest place online I can get a hbk2 besides ebay?


http://www.castlerockhobbies.com/product_p/esky-hbk2.htm that's my plug for betapilot right there that's a very good price and betapilot actually answers questions right here in this thread.

ok so i'll try to mess with pitch curves. if it works for 10C, it damn better work for 12C!

has anyone tried these blades: http://www.ushobbysupply.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=472&osCsid=8b2b0f18403e4ee69f8a17d6b02d9704
i'm thinking of getting those while i'm still doing basic things. i hate chipping the woodies and wasting them on ordinary hovering/experimenting stuff. these are dirt cheap too.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/7/2008 6:04:40 AM   
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Thanks brother

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/7/2008 6:07:44 AM   
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WARNING - Off topic conversation
jo, I noticed you have a variety of evo's, post a couple of pics would you? I just got a Saben Cuda and am lost, lol. It has been over a decade since I messed with cars and I do not remember them being this frickin fast, HOLY COW!

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/7/2008 6:19:18 AM   
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