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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/18/2009 3:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		oh yea, i've seen the optical ones for like $100+. the concept of matching the spinning disk speed to the rpm's is pretty neat. i think i'll just have a friend stand with the hobbico one and stretch out their arm lol.

no, but in seriousness, i held my HBK in my hand before at hoverspeed, so i can do it that way. it's also pretty stable to let it hang in the air while i quickly reach out and capture the rpms. for my nitro, i think i'll just stick the tach to the tail and take off into a hover, since the power doesn't shut off for 5 mins.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/21/2009 12:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys,
My (old) blades are balanced, trying to track them...
When spooled up, red is high, blake is low with close to 5/8 difference between
them at the tip. With half a turn of the link downward (red) the blade appears underneath the black
one. And if I turn the link upward half a turn (red) it ends up over the black one. I've turned the
hov/pitch knob, sometimes they come together as tracked. Spool down, then spool up again
and the blades aren't tracked at all, and with that space between them (5/8in). Are the blades
really gone or is there a broken part that I missed. The head turns ok, no wooble, nothing
seems out of sink.
Can't compare with other blades, they're somewhere in the mail.
What do you think ?
Sly.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/21/2009 2:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've had this problem and found that turning the link to swash rather than the link on the main blade grip works well. Give the high blade a half turn up on the link going down to the swash. If that doesn't work, you may have a slighty bent feather shaft or maybe a bad bushing in the head. Have you had any crashes latey?

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/21/2009 3:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		also, grease up the rubber dampers. especially if you're using a CNC head.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/21/2009 4:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its all relative, you might say I crasked but I say "it fell", the pinion (motor)
separated from the main gear at about 3, 3 1/2 feet from the ground landed
on wet and soft soil. Anyway, the heli is straped down, spooled up, no woobles
nowhere, paddles are horizontal and straight. I did not know that to track blades
turning swashplate links or upper links mattered, does it ? Everything that needs
to be oiled or greased, is and no cnc. So I'll check the feathering shaft and the
bushing (as soon as I find it).
Keep you posted,
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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/21/2009 4:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I looked it up in the instruction manuel in the exploded view and I truly
don't see anywhere a bushing in the head. Can you help me here Joey ?
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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/21/2009 4:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		When you take the feather shaft out there should be some sort of rubber bushing in the rotor head.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/21/2009 5:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		if it's not CNC, then the stock bushings are soft enough that they don't need any grease really. the 2 bushings/dampers that we're referring to are O shaped and sit inside the yoke (main plastic piece to which everything mounts). the feathering shaft goes through those O bushings.

if you trace those 2 long links, you'll see that they go to the mixer arms, which are connected to blade grips, that's why they matter.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/21/2009 5:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		well here are some pics of my finished Dragonus. haven't maiden it yet because i don't have the micro crystal for the Berg Rx. you can see that tiny 8g Rx as a little blue box inside at the back. in the same pic i included the remote for the Scorpion commander 45A ESC and you can see the IR receiver unit used to accept the signals from the remote. the motor is scorpion 3000kV with 12T on 2200mAh 25C Outrage batteries. Got a great deal on everything with Rusty (betapilot). the last pics are to show size comparison. Dragonus is just slightly bigger than HBK. There's also my Walkera sitting on top of HBK.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/21/2009 2:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		hahaha Looking good Renat

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/22/2009 6:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Replaced the feathering shaft and tracking is better, the blades
don't go underneath on an other when I ajust the links, still
some space between the blades maybe 3/8's. But will ajust
precisely tomorow.
The old feathering shaft did not have an apparent dent that
I could see. Even as I rolled it on a glass. I put in a
stronger feathering shaft (and they're a bit longer).
Thanks for the info.
Later

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/22/2009 6:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		examine the head very carefully...the ball control arm set has a piece that often strips in a 'hard landing'...you can tell when the hex screw keeps turning...ken

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/22/2009 7:54 PM   
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Will check.
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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/22/2009 10:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi
went to ajust the tracking a bit better. And they're doing as
they did before, getting on top or below on an other, without
never being tracked.
Ideas are welcome.
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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/22/2009 10:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you are not using turnbuckles then you should be, the stock links and ends are adequate at best when it comes to fine tuning. Also, what throttle range are you tracking these blades at and what blades are they?

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/22/2009 10:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you are using turnbuckles, make sure they are installed in the proper orentation. I once had a problem like this and discovered that one of the turnbuckles was installed upside down and when trying to track the blades I was turning the turnbuckle the wrong way .

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/22/2009 10:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Throttle range.... I got a stock esky tx, esc is default on everything
I got tired stock blades 275Mm, waiting for new ones.
And I've got crazy old links, you know. As for turnbuckles didn't
know such a thing existed.
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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/23/2009 3:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		by range I mean are you trying to track them at 30% throttle or 70%?

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/23/2009 4:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry, don't have all the heli terms registered and if I do
they may be mixed up. Anyway.....
I track them at 1/2 stick.
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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/24/2009 3:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Got new blades today, they track marvelously, the old ones where
dead meat. But still gotta change the flybar and getting those
turnbuckles.
thanks for you're input
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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/26/2009 11:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		here's vid from yesterday of my HBK crash. haven't crashed in a while. i measured headspeed at midstick hover to be around 2200.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjqKfQFY1vk
here's Dragonus maiden flight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-seW2hvdqw
hovering headspeed around 2300. at the end of the pack, i started losing power and started bringing it in, but stupid me didn't land right away, so just as almost all power was gone, the wind pushed it to the side and it started dropping right on my tool box. i pushed the throttle up and it gained some height but then dropped right near the tool box and cracked the blades, bend main and feathering shafts. so much for maiden! lol

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/26/2009 11:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hahaha I didn't know I got the crash on tape. I thought I lucked out on that one. Not bad shooting though. Next time I'll try to be a little more steady with the camera. Well it looks like I'm going to be down and out for a while. My system glitched real bad this morning and I lost all inputs, she came down, upside down and I cracked the main gear in half and cracked the frame. I cant wait to order my Futaba 7ch but I need to sell some stuff to help get the funds. Fun fun

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/27/2009 5:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		heh heh. nice vids J and J,

Slys posts prompted me to look at my own blade tracking and i was a bit shocked actualy

theyre running miles out ad were even worse when i tried out some stock woodies.

Im runnning the extreme GF blades. i couldnt get them to track right with just adjusting the pitch rods. so checked out the head and
the feather shaft had an Oh so subtle u bend in it. i had to shine a light from the front and look from the back in order to see it.
also the orings are toast. so im on my way to get parts. will grab some new Orings and get some more spares.
Im still wondering why my king 3 isnt getting lighton the skids till round 70%.

Joey? did you have a similar problem not so long ago. On my sim the king lifts just after half stick and with a 4000kv motor in there i dont see why it cant.

any ideas

kel.

P.S. Ive picked my next heli im certain im going to go with the Hurricane 550 i can run it on a pair of 3cells Lipos.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/27/2009 9:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		yea, Joe did a good job on the camera, too bad my skills don't allow for some fancy stuff to really show what the heli can do.

and thanks to Rusty for all the tips on the setup and electronics for the dragonus and for great prices and awesome support! he was telling me about the dragonus on the phone some time ago, that it's one awesome heli, and i figured that eventually i'll try it out. well i'm not sorry that i did, because this thing is sweet, from the looks, to light weight (791g with battery), to response. it feels very strong and solid all throughout the construction and components. wish i had the skills to wring it out in the air.

Kelownan, can you measure your pitch? disconnect the motor and measure pitch at low, mid and high stick positions. (do this for both normal and idle up) i'm assuming you're on stock Tx?

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/28/2009 2:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		hey J,

I have a pitch gauge which i set it up with. and set up the mixing in my DX6 to give me +10deg to -10deg.
I replace the Orings and found out it wasnt so much the bushing but The tightness of the blade grips, giving me a masive wobble.
so nowshe tracks almost perfect and ill see if that makes a difference.

P.S my pitch curve in Norm mode is 50% 50% 100%
and in idle up it is 0% 50% 100%

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