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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/26/2007 9:08:18 PM   
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Thanks, George

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/26/2007 10:33:34 PM   
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The esky tx's eat alkalines quickly. I just buy a set of 8 duracell or energizer 2500ma AA nimh batts from walmart and pop them in. Last a good long time. Its kind of odd that my esky honeybee mk3 is a futaba shift tx but the charging jack is the same for all my jr equipment. I am not sure about the hbk tx but I assume its a futaba shift as well and it also has the same charge jack and polarity as JR equip.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/26/2007 11:45:24 PM   
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Sorry, Oiler, if it sounds that way-- no one here (so far as I know) just picked up the heli and flew it. We've all been there, and yes, it is very difficult to get started. That's one of the reasons it's so addictive, and people wind up with lots of helis and gear-- because it's difficult, each new ability or skill is incredibly satisfying. People looking on may never understand how proud you feel the first time you can lift it off the ground into a stable hover-- but anyone who flies helis will know exactly how you feel.

Keep at it, and if you have a particular problem you'll probably find an answer in this forum, or check the ESky King V2 thread on RC Groups-- there's a very active community there, too.

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ORIGINAL: ezveedub

Trust me, if this was a blade cp, you would have dumped more money for less of a helicopter. I know someone who dumped over $500 in blade cp pro and can't hover and manuver it decently without crashing almost everytime.

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I wished I could get my HBKII off the ground and into a hover. It's my very first time at this and it's the hardest thing I've ever tried to do.

I watch these YouTube videos and read all of these posts and everyone makes it sound like it's a cake walk. I'm usually pretty good at picking stuff up like this, but for the life of me I just can't fly this thing!

Cheers,
Old Oiler





Thanks for the support, Osterizer! I need it.

Oiler

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/26/2007 11:48:05 PM   
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Troubleshooting HBK2 electronic problem.

1st flight - Hovering was silky smooth.
2nd flight (next day) - The heli was wondering around and the tail was not holding well.
3rd flight (3rd day) - Power on the Tx with throttle all the way down. Plugged the LiPo into the heli and it went crazy. The motor spun up and the servos were twitching like mad. I managed to unplug the bird before damage (got some minor cuts).

Troubleshooting:
The motor connection was disconnected for troubleshooting from this point on.
Plugged in the LiPo with Tx OFF and nothing happen. As soon as I turned on the Tx the heli went mad. Turned off the Tx and the heli stopped.
Switched out the stock speed controller with an ESC but it was not the cause. Servos still twitching.
Disconnected all the plugs to the Rx except power. Plugged in the servos and gyro one at a time but still twitching. So it did not seem like any particular servo was the cause.

My conclusion was that either the Tx or the Rx went bad.
I thought the Tx was the most likely cause.

What is your take?



Agreed...TX, but try pulling the TX crystal and plugging it back in see it that cures it. If not...JUNK TX.



That happened to me one time and I pulled the crystal out and re-seated it into the slot. Turns out that was the problem. It did not have a good connection or there was dust or something in it, but that fixed it.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/26/2007 11:54:20 PM   
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Oiler, yes it's tough. I've flown planes a years ago and when I got the chopper I've had my learning curve. Read the posts, asked questions, went through the chopper and when I fired it up I couldn't get it to hover. I got it off the ground but very unstable. Upgraded to brushless, went through a few sets of blades, smoked the ESC. Had the belt slip off the left side. (did the double bearing fix for it) Tail spun in one direction or the other. (fixed by adjusting the servo forward or back till it was dialed in and the trim on the Tx would work for the final trim) Also learned that the gyro will not lock if the rudder trim is far left or right on inital power up. All these things I gleaned through these threads and our HBK man Rusty. Oh, Also had the front servo go out so I bought a servo at the LHS and move the rudder servo to the front and put the new one on the rudder. Had to do the dial in on the tail again.

I got the new esc one and went through the chopper again. Man did I feel like a Homer "DOH" I never checked swash plate and it was way out of whack. Talked with Rusty on how it's suppose to be set up and what did you know the thing jumped in the air and was way more stable so that I could actually trim it with the TX. Is it frustrating? Yup, but I really like the challage and the feeling when I actually get it up for a whole battery pack.

Oh, another thing I did was to get the training gear. Some say real men don't use gear but when I put them on it sure saved me 10 bucks a pop for blades a number of times especially when you don't have the heli dialed in.

Stay with it, ask the guys on tons of questions and you'll get there. It's is a great feeling when you finally get it all dialed in and she jumps in the air....


Thanks Gregkabob,

I am resolved to fly this thing! But I can see that a $150.00 initial investment can get seriously close to a grand between extra parts and upgrades while learning to try and fly it!

Cheers,
oiler


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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/26/2007 11:58:24 PM   
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I wished I could get my HBKII off the ground and into a hover. It's my very first time at this and it's the hardest thing I've ever tried to do.

I watch these YouTube videos and read all of these posts and everyone makes it sound like it's a cake walk. I'm usually pretty good at picking stuff up like this, but for the life of me I just can't fly this thing!

Cheers,
Old Oiler

I was in the same boat (heli? ) as you only a few weeks ago. My first few flights I didn't have things setup right, I guess the RTF threw me off . I would get the bird up for a second, start fighting one control and the next thing I knew, BAM! on the ground. Now I can run most of a battery down in a single hover in my living room. I don't think there is anything easy about learning to fly a heli.

My 2 cents...

If you don't already have one, get a simulator. I try to get in at least 15-30 mins of flying on G3.5 everyday. I still feel a marked improvement with my orientation comfort level each new day that I play it. I bought G3.5 for the training modes. There isn't really much to the training modes, but they help to keep my mind on point, instead of flying around aimlessly. If you can't budget for one of the more expensive sims, you can get the esky sim Tx that includes FMS for around $20.

Proper setup of the heli is a big key to having a controlled flight. The better the setup the easier the heli will be to fly. Buy and get familiar with using a blade balancer and swash leveler, track your blades, balance your CG and make sure to get the tail holding at hovering head speed before you actually take off. Make sure nothing is bent and that the heli spools up smoothly. Use the time while waiting on replacement parts to get familiar with the different parts of the heli and where everything should be when properly adjusted.

Downloading Finless Bob's instructional videos at HeliFreak.com helped me out and they are definitely worth checking out. Even though they aren't about a HBK2 specifically they give you a general idea about how all small Electric helis are put together.



And finally, to get this tread back on track... I think the longer blades, heavier paddles, and HH gyro really make the King 2 easier for a newb like me to handle. The bird is not near as twitchy as it was before and almost feels "smooth".

Jesse



Thanks Jesse,

There is SO much to learn about this thing, especially when you have no aeronautical experience of ANY KIND. My neighbor who is a pilot for Continental can't even help me! He's as lost as I am.

Thanks,
Oiler

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/27/2007 2:09:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RC1K

Troubleshooting HBK2 electronic problem.

1st flight - Hovering was silky smooth.
2nd flight (next day) - The heli was wondering around and the tail was not holding well.
3rd flight (3rd day) - Power on the Tx with throttle all the way down. Plugged the LiPo into the heli and it went crazy. The motor spun up and the servos were twitching like mad. I managed to unplug the bird before damage (got some minor cuts).

Troubleshooting:
The motor connection was disconnected for troubleshooting from this point on.
Plugged in the LiPo with Tx OFF and nothing happen. As soon as I turned on the Tx the heli went mad. Turned off the Tx and the heli stopped.
Switched out the stock speed controller with an ESC but it was not the cause. Servos still twitching.
Disconnected all the plugs to the Rx except power. Plugged in the servos and gyro one at a time but still twitching. So it did not seem like any particular servo was the cause.

My conclusion was that either the Tx or the Rx went bad.
I thought the Tx was the most likely cause.

What is your take?


Thanks everyone for your input.

I did pull the crystals from the Tx and Rx. I even "borrowed" a set of crystals from my Walkera E22.
I told the the eBay vendor that we should exchange the Tx AND Rx. West coast - East coast. $ Shipping and time. I really want to ask the vendor for partial refund (say $40-$50) so I could use the $ toward the upgrade but that would come across, to the vendor, as scam.

I am considering Futaba 6EXH, Futaba FASST and DX6.
I am leaning toward DX6 for it's value compare to the Futaba $. I heard that the DX6 has shorter range than the FM but I do not think that's big deal to the small heli.







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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/27/2007 2:24:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RC1K

Troubleshooting HBK2 electronic problem.

1st flight - Hovering was silky smooth.
2nd flight (next day) - The heli was wondering around and the tail was not holding well.
3rd flight (3rd day) - Power on the Tx with throttle all the way down. Plugged the LiPo into the heli and it went crazy. The motor spun up and the servos were twitching like mad. I managed to unplug the bird before damage (got some minor cuts).

Troubleshooting:
The motor connection was disconnected for troubleshooting from this point on.
Plugged in the LiPo with Tx OFF and nothing happen. As soon as I turned on the Tx the heli went mad. Turned off the Tx and the heli stopped.
Switched out the stock speed controller with an ESC but it was not the cause. Servos still twitching.
Disconnected all the plugs to the Rx except power. Plugged in the servos and gyro one at a time but still twitching. So it did not seem like any particular servo was the cause.

My conclusion was that either the Tx or the Rx went bad.
I thought the Tx was the most likely cause.

What is your take?


Thanks everyone for your input.

I did pull the crystals from the Tx and Rx. I even "borrowed" a set of crystals from my Walkera E22.
I told the the eBay vendor that we should exchange the Tx AND Rx. West coast - East coast. $ Shipping and time. I really want to ask the vendor for partial refund (say $40-$50) so I could use the $ toward the upgrade but that would come across, to the vendor, as scam.

I am considering Futaba 6EXH, Futaba FASST and DX6.
I am leaning toward DX6 for it's value compare to the Futaba $. I heard that the DX6 has shorter range than the FM but I do not think that's big deal to the small heli.










Go DX6...everyone already has the input parameters...easy to get.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/27/2007 4:38:53 AM   
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I might even go DX7. Looking into it now.

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RE: Honeybee King v2 tuner shop - 7/27/2007 1:31:17 PM   
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RC1K, I have been looking into upgrading radios myself. This is what I found. The DX6 is a park flier radio, it's range is limited. For helis, the range is just fine, but just the same, it's range is limited. The DX6 has 3 point throttle and pitch curves. (limited) The DX7 is not range limited. The DX7 has 5 point throttle and pitch curves. DX6 and DX7 both utilize Spektrum's implementation of 2.4Ghz. ( utilizes 2or 3 frequencies to fight interference) Futaba 6EXH comes in either PCM/PPM ( FM) or Futaba's implementation of 2.4Ghz (They call it FASST.) (utilizes a bunch of frequencies that it shifts through) Futaba has a 5 point pitch curve. ( You don't actually see the picture of the curve on the Futaba, you just see numbers that represent the curve. DX6/7 you see the actual curve in the LCD display. Some people want to see the actual curve on the radio, not it's numeric representation.) A Futaba radio with PCM/PPM will work with your current receivers in most cases. All 2.4Ghz radios will not work with your current 72Mhz receivers. DX7 with 7000/7100 receivers are found right at the $300 price mark. DX7 radios ( no servos) with 6000/6100 can be found right at the $200+ price mark. Futaba 6EXH 2.4Ghz radios (no servos) can be found at the $190+ price mark. ( One seller from NY right here on RCU has this price.). To be perfectly honest, I did not research street prices on DX6, so I cannot be of much help there. Used Futaba PCM/PPM radios can be had right at the $100 price point. ( I bought one for $105 shipped, that is on it's way.) If you fly with a bunch of other people, and you don't mind throwing out your FM receivers, it seems 2.4Ghz is the way to go as the 2.4Ghz radios are not interfered by other radios. I did not find Spektrum DX7 or Futaba 2.4Ghz FASST used radios anywhere at a bargain. In a lot of cases, $10-$20 more would buy a brand-new radio. In some cases new radios could be had cheaper. ( You know, Ebay bidding frenzy.)
Widespread problems: I did not find reports of widespread problems with Futaba 6EXH in either 2.4Ghz or 72Mhz. ( The usual 72Mhz interference issues are on the 72Hhz radio. If someone else turns on a radio on your frequency, you crash.) I found a British web site (yes, they fly with 2.4GHZ radios in the UK) where many heli fliers lamented losing thier heli with Spektrum DX7 radios. It seems the Spektrum receivers have some sort of binding issue if a voltage drop or brownout occurs. When the voltage drops below a certain threshold, lockout occurs and the receiver goes to it's preset fail-safe setting. Spektrum has created a software patch for the problem and will install the patch for free. All you have to do is send in your reciever. Some fliers report still losing their heli after the software patch. The problem seems to be most prevalent with 6000/6100 receivers, ( they are tiny and light ,so lots of heli fliers use them) but has been reported with 7000/7100 receivers. When patched, Spektrum puts some sort of sticker on the receiver. I have read accounts where Spektrum owners say this is not a