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dbateman -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/25/2007 6:28:00 PM)

No need to go to United hobby, check out aero-nuts.com I have my B-25 ordered at LHS. I have settled on the Varioprop scale adjustible pitch 3 blade 13-14" dia. I'm trying to figure out a setup that will swing this prop and give good airspeed. I have a bunch of 5 cell packs but it looks like i will have to configure a larger motor, lower kv and more volts to at least a 6 cell for each engine. Google varioprop and check out there stuff. The thing is you can tune your system for the amp draw you want using the variable pitch feature, question is do you have the performance you want at that point. I wish there was a motor calc for 3 blades because this guessing stuff when making your purchases could be expensive. Doug



kahloq -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/25/2007 9:37:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LDM

United Hobbies ????????????[X(] motors for $40[8|] , ?batteries for $65,[X(] are we talking about the same plane[8|] --if so please share details ????


yes LDM, motors for $40-50 or so as well as batteries cheap(but I wont go with cheap batteries). ESC's for $40 can be fou8nd at lightflightrc.com. I have 4 of the 60 amp ones($23 ea) and they work great. There is no bec on them, so you use a normal rx battery, but for 11 servos, you'd do that anyways.

So,
$399 for the H9 B-25
$100 for rx
$100 for two motors(united hobbies)
$80 for two esc's(80 amp from lightflightrc)
$300 for retracts(varies depending on what size/brand/oleos etc)
$400 for batteries if you se 4s Thunder Power 4200x2
Servos x 11 @ $10(ST47's) each = $110. Some ppl will use digital in some areas or higher eng servos so this cost is relative to the builder.

Anyhow....total cost(with misc items like extensions)

$1400

Even with half the cost for cheap batteries, the plane will still run over $1000 to get flight ready, but would be dramatically more if name brand motors and speed controllers were used.
2 x 80 amp ESC from Castle would cost over $140 ea
2 x Power 60's would be over $100 ea.



LDM -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/26/2007 12:40:27 PM)

thanks for the tip , sounds like the e-flight option is not to bad after all



Free Bird -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/26/2007 1:34:02 PM)

Most that will buy this ARF will already have most, if not all of the electronics, especially if you're into e-power. So you can bring down the cost somewhat. Speaking for me, all I would need is the motors and one ESC. The biggest cost for me would be the retracts (outside of the model itself), if I went that route. In my eyes, not a good arguement to justify the cost. Just my .02.



frednjess -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/26/2007 2:38:23 PM)

Here's the exact locations of the parts I found at United Hobbies...
Motors, $42.33, https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4907[link]
ESC, $39.95, https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4315[link]
Battery, $62.30, https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4131[link]
Retracts, $129.15, https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5324[link]
With the exception of the retracts, which I don't know the exact size but UH does answer emails, I think this ought to work for everyone. It all comes with 12 month warranty. It all makes sense to me.[:D]



kahloq -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/27/2007 4:42:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: frednjess

Here's the exact locations of the parts I found at United Hobbies...
Motors, $42.33, https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4907[link]
ESC, $39.95, https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4315[link]
Battery, $62.30, https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4131[link]
Retracts, $129.15, https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5324[link]
With the exception of the retracts, which I don't know the exact size but UH does answer emails, I think this ought to work for everyone. It all comes with 12 month warranty. It all makes sense to me.[:D]


Links are great :) Thanks, but, those retracts will not support a 13 pound plane.
The batteries you linked to are also not useful(unless you put a few in series). They are 3 cell(11.1v) and this plane will require 4s minimum to fly



TLH101 -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/27/2007 1:20:51 PM)

Read a thread on RCG, about UH sending different parts (lower quality) than actually ordered sometimes. Also quite a bit of customer service issues.



frednjess -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/27/2007 3:23:09 PM)

Oh yeah, 4S, one of these days I'll pay attention to detail...and maybe read the instructions. Here's the 4S packs
3200mAh, $65.50, https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4132[link]
4100mAh, $76.60, https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4129[link]
quote:

Read a thread on RCG, about UH sending different parts (lower quality) than actually ordered sometimes. Also quite a bit of customer service issues.

About this, I've put in 3 orders to UH and they've all been spot on. And just in case anyone is wondering, no, I do not work for UH or any of their product companies. I've just got three kids and couldn't afford the hobby at the LHS.



LDM -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/28/2007 12:23:11 AM)

Its sounds like a good deal and who would not want to pay $76 for batteries vs $200 but you have to wonder what your getting for the differnace ?? I am just asking , do you wonder why there is such a savings vs brand name like Thunder Power packs ??



TLH101 -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/28/2007 12:38:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: frednjess


quote:

Read a thread on RCG, about UH sending different parts (lower quality) than actually ordered sometimes. Also quite a bit of customer service issues.

About this, I've put in 3 orders to UH and they've all been spot on. And just in case anyone is wondering, no, I do not work for UH or any of their product companies. I've just got three kids and couldn't afford the hobby at the LHS.


I found enough info here to satisfy my curiosity: http://www.rcgroups.com/united-hobbies-441/



frednjess -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/28/2007 3:14:35 AM)

Well, I guess I've just been incredibly lucky in my dealings with UH. All of my stuff works. Actually, the only company I've had a problem with is Hobby Lobby....They're supposed to be fantastic. [:'(]



kahloq -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/28/2007 4:54:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LDM

Its sounds like a good deal and who would not want to pay $76 for batteries vs $200 but you have to wonder what your getting for the differnace ?? I am just asking , do you wonder why there is such a savings vs brand name like Thunder Power packs ??


This is the risk of going with cheap batteries. Long life is probably not to be expected. At least with TP packs, if somethign goes wrong, you can send the batteries in for repair or replacement and sometimes they'll offer you 50% discount on new batteries even when they can tell the damage was your fault(such as a crash and the packs are crumpled). That is why i stick with TP.

BTW....I have never had any problems with hobby-lobby



jnickles -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/28/2007 5:02:01 AM)

I saw the new B25 from Hanger 9, I am intersted in getting a B25, and have also looked at the one from Nitro planes. Does anyone have a reccomendation? I know the Nitro plane is a smaller (but it also costs less). They do have one in silver which looks good. I just was wondering if there where any other suppliers out there that made one, and what you all thought of the Nitro one verses the Hanger 9 plane?
Thanks,
Jeff



kahloq -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/28/2007 5:11:24 AM)

Personally, I think the Nitroplanes B-25 is a joke. unless you want to recover the entire plane, dont bother. The gun turrets are basically crap and the greenhouse area looks pathetic.
You'd be better of building an FSK B-25(flying styro) for the same price.
In relevance to cars:
nitroplanes would be the Yugo or Pinto of B-25's
FSK would be like a V6 Camaro only due to size relative to the others...for scale looks...its pretty good.
H9 would be like a Camaro SS
TF would be like a Corvette
KMP would be like a Corvette Z06 ( or SS)
There are a few other arf's but they look really really bad.

Kits of course would be in the luxury class of car relative to the others, but, a lot more money, time, and well, lots of building and fabricating.



jnickles -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/28/2007 8:21:40 PM)

Thanks, do you have links to the other planes you mentioned? Like TF, KMP and FSK - I've don't recognize them.

I will say I have a friend who bought the Misquito twin engine from Nitro and it is pretty nice. He hasn't flown it yet, but it appears well built. I just would like some options if I'm going to drop that much in a plane.
thanks



TLH101 -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/28/2007 8:51:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jnickles


I will say I have a friend who bought the Misquito twin engine from Nitro and it is pretty nice. He hasn't flown it yet, but it appears well built. I just would like some options if I'm going to drop that much in a plane.
thanks


Nitro Planes sells several diffent mfg planes under their own name. Some are better than others.[8|]



jnickles -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/28/2007 8:54:27 PM)

So which B25 would you reccomend? I have to stick with ARFs (don't have the time for kits) and want to go electric.
Thanks



kahloq -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/28/2007 11:55:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jnickles

So which B25 would you reccomend? I have to stick with ARFs (don't have the time for kits) and want to go electric.
Thanks


This depends on what size you want. As far as not knowing was TF, KMP, or FSK are......
TF = Top Flite. There are numerous threads about it, but it isnt released yet. It is bigger then the Hangar 9 by 8" at 88" wingpspan.

Hangar 9 is 80.7" wingspan and is designed for electrics out of the box or glow. No conversion necessary. if you want a larger B-25 and electric, this will be the easiest to setup and least costly....except for the FSK

KMP = KMP or Kondor Model Products. www.kmp.ca. This was the first B-25 ARF and probably the best, however, they have redesigned it to be a fully composite(fiberglass) airframe and should be re-released before Christmas. Wingspan is 85.5"

FSK = Flying Styro. This is an electric only. It has the highest detail of any of the B-25's out there, but it is a foam skin plane with balsa support interior. It is smaller then any of the others at 48" wingspan, but, much cheaper to get in the air. They are available at www.hobby-lobby.com
Attached is pic of my FSK B-25. Others have added more detail, I did only what was in the box(plus some of the extra detail kit)



LDM -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/29/2007 10:05:09 AM)

I guess its like buying a $400 tree and digging a $10 hole . THis would be my first --big twin eletric plane , I have been flying warbirds for over three years , simply dont want to go glow and have one go out . My best bet seems to be to stick with the proven brands for my first twin e-fligt



frednjess -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/29/2007 2:14:38 PM)

quote:

I guess its like buying a $400 tree and digging a $10 hole . THis would be my first --big twin eletric plane , I have been flying warbirds for over three years , simply dont want to go glow and have one go out . My best bet seems to be to stick with the proven brands for my first twin e-fligt

Hope your plane turns out well! I'll have to stick with my $10 hole and hope for the best, I guess. $300 vs $700 before retracts is a deal breaker for me. Granted, if I get this bad boy it will be more valuable than the rest of my fleet combined, even with the cheap parts. I've got a thing for fanfold planes and $15 ESC/motor combos. Oh, and $3.50 9g servos. I've got a pretty nice Fokker triplane that is literally $40 of electronics and $1.50 of fanfold. Flies great!

The wheels are now bigger and more scale, also the anhedral is no longer present. Fishing line rigging added permanent dihedral. It used to go from anhedral to dihedral as soon as you got up the flying speed. Kind of funny to watch...



Steve Collins -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/29/2007 2:26:04 PM)

One of the things that troubles me about all of the ARF B-25s that I have seen so far is that they do a pretty good job on the airframe but the canopy and greenhouse on all of them have "framing" that is far too wide. I suppose you could also include the gun turrets in this statement as well. It seems to me that these are the very parts of any airplane that really draw the eye when looking at them. It would be so easy to do it right but no one does! What's up with that?

In my opinion this really messes up an otherwise pretty ok aircraft and is the main reason I have not purchased one (at least not yet).



jnickles -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/29/2007 4:00:44 PM)

Thanks for the info. Your plane looks good. I was looking for something a little bigger. I may wait on that one from KMP, if you think it is fairly easy build with electrics, otherwise I will do the Hanger 9 = I wish the had one in silver though. What does your B25 weigh, and what motors are you running - just curious about your watts/per pound?



LDM -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/30/2007 4:18:50 AM)

Fred , thanks for the tips and the great sites , I dont man fowl on my comment , I simply dont know enought about e-flight to dabble in certain parts .
Personally I rather see someone like you that seems to know the fomrula work out the kins and then tell a guy like me how to do it .
Worse case scenerio , I will simply use glow .
Keep me posted
Thanks



frednjess -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/30/2007 1:31:03 PM)

LDM, I didn't mean to come off sounding offended. I'm exceptionally thrifty when it comes to our hobby and proud of it! The electric scene and its conversions and power outputs are quite confusing. Trying to replace factory recommended equipment can be a bit of a nightmare at times. The items I recommended from United Hobbies are what I feel would be a comparable setup to what Hanger 9 recommends. (Except for the retracts). The difference between a $1000 plane and a $1500 plane is pretty drastic for someone in my position. That extra $500 can get an extra set of batteries for the B-25 and enough equipment for 5-6 more planes. It's amazing what you can do when your wife nearly eliminates your flying budget!



LDM -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (8/30/2007 1:39:52 PM)

I hear you , I have two kids playing travel hockey , wow , there goes my RC budget lol !!!
Thanks for the advice , please keep me posted on your progress .



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