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reincarnate -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/12/2007 9:53:53 PM)

Talk about a kid in candy store. I arrived home this afternoon with the airplane (with installed 36's)and the set of Robarts on order for less than I would have had in the airplane and the two Saito 62's I was considering. The upside...the 36's are completely enclosed within the cowl. The downside...with the Evo's installed, the cowl is cut for the included muffler and I intend to set the engines up with a couple of Macs mufflers. However I couldn't be more satisfied with Horizon for this little "bonus". Imagine...a company rewarding it's customers with an unannounced free bonus. Now on with the thread.



LDM -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/13/2007 12:27:28 AM)

What was the deal , was it a test model or just came that way ?



reincarnate -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/13/2007 3:42:34 AM)

See post #149 and the quote from Bill Brundle (from a previous post) from Horizon.



frednjess -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/13/2007 5:05:29 PM)

I've been away from the thread for awhile...These are coming with engines for no additional cost?!?! All of the sudden this bird got affordable!



timothy thompson -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/13/2007 5:16:48 PM)

this bird is no comparison to the top flite version. if you modify the turrets and scratch build it would be ok. i may get one and turn it into a PBJ. my tf bird will be electric and it has a functional bomb bay so lipos at the cg work great! axi 4130/16 and 8s 5000mah for power. bes eleminated and a 6v 3000 mah rx pack.



reincarnate -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/13/2007 5:26:53 PM)

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timothy thompson Date 10/13/2007 12:16:48 PM
this bird is no comparison to the top flite version.


True enough. The TF version is much closer to scale. However...for 399 I ended up with an airplane and 2 engines. Even if you don't get the engines, with the 250 dollars you save over the TF, you can add as much scale realism to the model as you can dream up. It's doubtful anyone will enter an ARF in Top Gun competition anyhoo. As for how the difference is in the air, I doubt anyone will notice who's model is up there. Some want to build it to fly it. I do admire the TF's "out of the box" (especially the nose art [X(]) looks better, but I've said it before on another topic...who flies an ARF straight out of the box anyway?



timothy thompson -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/13/2007 7:53:55 PM)

amazing you have the engines that must be an error in your favor



CorsairJock -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/13/2007 8:54:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: timothy thompson
amazing you have the engines that must be an error in your favor

As someone else suggested a few posts back: TRY READING THE ENTIRE THREAD! No point in re-stating what has already been said.

My LHS called yesterday to inform me that mine would not arrive until LATE NOVEMBER. I put my order in on Oct 9, just before the official release. Apparantly all that came on the boat from China must have been sold already. What was unfortunate for me was that I spotted one on ebay yesterday morning before I went to work. That one HAD THE ENGINES!. By the time I got home from work and found out the bad news from my LHS, the one on eBay was already gone (sold).

BUT, there was one for sale here at RCU Market Place that I just ordered. Probably without engines, but price is $399 SHIPPED. Had I bought one from LHS, price would have been $400 plus (6%) tax.

SO, if you want and want it soon (before late November), I suggest that you immediately buy it if you see it. There is another one on eBay (without engines), but Buy it Now price is $400 plus about $45 shipping.

I must commend Horizon for attempting to keep online ordering prices comparable to LHS prices. In other words: you usually pay the same price at the LHS as you would anywhere else. This no doubt is a benefit to the LHS, and the reason I originnally ordered mine from one. If the Tower Hobbies/ Great Planes conglomerate worked the same way, there would probably be fewer Hobby Shops going out of business.



timothy thompson -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/13/2007 10:03:35 PM)

try not being a jerk jock! i read the thread its amazing they put engines in 300 of them. You must be having a bad day well so am I



CorsairJock -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/13/2007 11:44:14 PM)

Anybody who wants one with the engines: here's your chance for $430 shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HANGAR-9-B-25J-Mitchell-ARF-w-36NT-Engines-HAN4470-NEW_W0QQitemZ170158715168QQihZ007QQcategoryZ19164QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Let us (at RCU) know if you get it.



CorsairJock -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/18/2007 1:24:14 AM)

Mine arrived today: WITH ENGINES INSTALLED.

Now my dilema: I don't use 2 strokes anymore, and I LOVE the sound and performance of Saitos, and had planned on installing either .56s or .62s. And by the way: since they are already mounted, there are cutouts in the cowls for the mufflers.

Here's a link to Horizon's page onthe engines:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EVOE0360

They sure LOOK good, and I fear my Saitos might stick out of the cowl some. I'll have to take some measurements



arobatx -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/18/2007 2:37:23 PM)

Corsair Jock....no problem, I'll just send you what you paid for the kit, you can send that setup to me, and turn around and buy a new one with uncut cowls :) Sound good?

Man I am jealous of you guys...and I am really impressed with Horizon on this deal.

Chad



SunShyne -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/18/2007 3:32:44 PM)

I got a chance to see this ARF and handle it yesterday and man its nice! I have to agree with others that its not as "scale" as the TF as the cockpit/canopy sections are lacking but for the money its really hard to beat!

My LHS received 3 yesterday and all were gone within several hours! Might have to get one for myself or simply make due with my Stuka that I got to chase them around [:D]



dbateman -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/18/2007 5:17:08 PM)

I'll ask again, how is it that guys are walking in off the street and buying Hanger 9 B-25's when there are quite a few of us out here who trying to do the right thing supported their local hobby shop and pre-ordered back when first released. Not to mention the 2 free motors. I don't get upset often but this just rubbed me the wrong way.... I put down a $200 deposit..... Doug Bateman



CorsairJock -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/18/2007 11:45:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dbateman
I'll ask again, how is it that guys are walking in off the street and buying Hanger 9 B-25's when there are quite a few of us out here who trying to do the right thing supported their local hobby shop and pre-ordered back when first released. Not to mention the 2 free motors. I don't get upset often but this just rubbed me the wrong way.... I put down a $200 deposit..... Doug Bateman


I agree: it just ain't right.
My guess is a lot of 'hobby shops' (which are actually more of the online type of hobby shops) pre-ordered them awhile back, and thus were the 1st to recieve them. They promptly put them on eBay, or as in my case: RCU Marketplace, and sell them.
In my case, I went to my local hobby shop a few days before the official release. My LHS is small, and probably cannot afford to have such an expensive ARF on their in-store inventory, unless they were pretty sure that it would be sold very soon.
The 'boat arrived from China' and all the 1st ones went out to the people and places that pre-ordered, while the ones that didn't pre-order are now waiting 'for the next boat'.

I really don't think it is Horizon's fault. As stated earlier: I believe they are doing what they can to keep LHSs in business. I don't think that they can control which 'hobby shops' are really local ones, and which ones are more of an online business.

On a side note: I ordered and recieved a 1/48 Accurate Miniatures B-25B "Doolittle Raiders" plastic model kit today. I like to purchase a high quality, detailed plastic kit of RC warbirds that I intend to build, as they are an excellent source of details. In the case of this kit: WOW! This kit has been reviewed by plastic model enthusiests and claimed to be one of the top 5 best 1/48 scale kits of all time, and I can see why. The decal sheet has the numbers for all 16 raiders, meaning you could build any one of the 16 from the kit. Also has Ruptured Duck and other markings for the ones that had such. Also has a booklet which is a copy of the official report Doolittle filed after the raid. Cockpit details are excellent, which is one of the reasons I buy such kits: they give me a better idea of what the cockpit should look like than any books ever could. I will use the cockpit fromthis kit to guide me in installing cockpit details in my H9 B-25. And I will use the decal sheet to determine the size and shape of decals that I will have made for my H9 plane. I'll measuer the wheels to determine what the correct scale wheel size would be for the H9 B-25 (BTW: the H9 B-25 is 1/10 scale).

If any of you want to detail your H9 B-25 out some: I really encourage you to pick up one of these kits. They usually sell for over $45, but I got a NIB one for under $30 shipped (eBay).



timothy thompson -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/19/2007 12:14:56 AM)

i got one for e power today its not as nice as the tf or as scale in the gear door area. i plan on making a solid nose j model with all the 50 cals and cannon. the nice thing is the batts fit in the bomb bay.

on g-3 the tf has a opening bomb bay is this a real feature on that model? it would make lipo installation easy. yes both will be electric running 8s 5000mah


it does have a nice finish and will be a fun plane the tf will be a serious scale conversion for me



timothy thompson -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/19/2007 12:18:16 AM)

hey if the wife complains bring out all the shoes, jewlery, and handbags not used in years. it helps to find clothes with the price tag still on! works for me[:D][:D]



timothy thompson -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/19/2007 12:20:27 AM)

well mine has engines !! its a nice install but i do not want engine out problems. are these reliable engines. if i use them and lose the plane due to them ill be really mad. i epower all my twins for that reason. so if anyone can tell me if these glow engines are any good I may use them. its a perfect install with the dummy radial and all holes precut. Looks nice. they are evo 36s



kahloq -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/19/2007 12:45:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: timothy thompson

well mine has engines !! its a nice install but i do not want engine out problems. are these reliable engines. if i use them and lose the plane due to them ill be really mad. i epower all my twins for that reason. so if anyone can tell me if these glow engines are any good I may use them. its a perfect install with the dummy radial and all holes precut. Looks nice. they are evo 36s



They are reliable yes, but, make sure you run them in on the ground for several tanks worth of fuel before flying. The manual may say no break in required, but DO IT ANYWAY. It might be wise, sicen this is a twin, to put onboard glow on the motors. I am on my B-25 as a safety measure for this reason as I dont want an engine out, but also so I dont have to put my hands, shoulder, etc near two moving props to unplug a glow driver.
My B-25 is not the H9 and uses 4 strokes motors, but 2 strokes can flame out too iof the mixture is wrong or the idle get too low(or the throttle stick is accidentally lowered too far). Having the onboard glow prevents all of those problems.
With onboard glow, provided the motors are broken in decent, the only way you should ever encounter an engine out is if you run out of fuel or the batteries for the onboard glow werent charged.



timothy thompson -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/19/2007 12:59:03 AM)

i use onboard glow for my 4 cycles. These evos have no needle adjustment or so it says. i was shocked they would put a pair of brand new 80 dollar each motors in this plane. I was going e power all the way and i didnt take the cowl off . has anyone done so and can these easly be removed so i can use e power. i would sell the motors. A sub c and some deans is what i use to make on board glow. i can either control it with a micro switch or leave the sub c on the whole flight. ive done both.

I have motors batts escs for the tf b-25 and was going to use the same batts for both planes. as I have two 4s 5000mah packs and axi 4130/16 for power. I hate to ruin the nice install jon h-9 did i may call them



reincarnate -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/19/2007 1:21:20 AM)

Tim-The Evo's do have needle adjustment, they just say it isn't necessary. As for removing them, it won't be a problem, but you may have to wait a while for the new cowls to come in, unless you don't mind the exhaust cutouts.

Now for my question. I REALLY want to make operable gear doors. Has anyone else seriously considered this, and if so what method are you thinking?

Jock... Make sure to post some pictures of your cockpit mods. I'm building this one in my mind before I start my build, but I'd like to know how much you're thinking on doing to yours. Also let me know what you come up with for wheel size (since I'm evidently too lazy to do it myself). I also would like to put aluminum wheels on mine, but the smallest I can find are 3 1/2". Thanks!



CorsairJock -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/19/2007 2:41:53 AM)

According to my calculations (size of wheels on 1/48 model X 4.8): the scale wheel sizes for the H9 warbird should be about 4 3/8" for the mains and 3" for the nose. I think I'll try 4" for the mains and 3" for the nose. If you look at any pictures of the full scales: the mains seem to be quite a bit larger than the nose



timothy thompson -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/19/2007 3:47:52 AM)

how reliable are the evos? think i would have a problem. i fly glow and gas but use leccy for multis. Id hate to ruin that nice installation if all i need is common sense in not running out of gas. I hear the evos are reliable but see i fly zenoah or saito and dont mess with 2 strokes much since 4 strokes came in the hobby'



the tf has scale doors and bomb bay that will use the axi4130s ! i may leave the motors in ill look around here for info

yes ill buy both planes



timothy thompson -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/19/2007 9:28:50 PM)

im going to go electric . all i need are new uncut cowls they are for sale on horizons site. Dont know what ill do with the evos I wont use them. This kit has precut aluminum spacers for the e mount Has anyone thought of this running 2 4s 5000mah packs in parallel that way the volts are still under the limit but you would have 10,000 mah capacity. I bet a lot of guys not familiar with leccy will wire those packs in series to make an 8s and that will fry that motor and esc. Running each side on a seperate pack is risky if any imbalance occurs. you would have the same problem that glow engines give

i have axi 4130s and jeti 77 esc for the top flite arf now ill have to get more motors. i dont want to put those big axis in when the eflie 46 will do the job



CorsairJock -> RE: New Hangar 9 B-25 (10/20/2007 12:44:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: reincarnate
...............................I also would like to put aluminum wheels on mine, but the smallest I can find are 3 1/2".


I hope the aluminum ones are light. Keep in mind that because of the geometry of the landing gear on a B-25: retracting them shifts the center of gravity towards the tail. All 3 wheels retract rearward.
I intend to find lighter, yet larger wheels than the included H9 ones, so as to affect the CG as little as possible.

I have definately decided that I don't want the Evos. I can't see building my 1st giant scale warbird, and a twin no less, with 2 stroke engines. So if anyone is interested in working something out (I'm thinking along the lines of $80 for the pair (1/2 retail price) , with a cowling/ dummy engine/ motor mount trade included: e-mail me.



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