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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/7/2003 7:01:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Maggers has a covering issue on some at the mo, wait a while, Still a FANTASTIC ARTF for the price and flys soo damn good, but, its jet looking, some people just want the simplicity and flying character of a delta.
Has any one put a engine on just a Magnum wing??? it's light as hell. Now.. if the Whip was all CF skin, hollow winged ( no foam ), lighter than helium, more effort for engine and tank faring, then 400 would be a very fair price

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perhaps.. - 3/7/2003 7:06:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps the new pricing policy by ACM is targeting the jet guys who want a 'cheap' beater when they leave their turbines on the ground... Sounds like they are pushing that way with all the mention of carbon and other higher tech materials.

I personally though $199 was way too high for a simple delta, a DDust was much more reasonable. And now twice that? Unfinished? I think they'll get the message loud and clear when the sales fall through the floor with a loud crash.... :


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P.S. For $399 you could buy a complete professional foam cutting setup, do your own wing design, and enough materials to build out 5 imitation 'lashes, and have money left over for beer while you're building...


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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/7/2003 9:46:56 PM   
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the jet guys seem to be very much like the car racers, the hint of Carbon Fibre and they go all starry eyed, and the anodized stuff!!!!, like cats with catnip. very much one upmanship driven, at least thats the impression given off. The far more expensive Factory and Team spec cars arnt much better and only a fraction lighter, but they are much bluer and more sexy CF bits added. few areas of RC are so vain they have anodized locknut's in various colours. My car has no CF, no blue bits, and a heat sink i hacked from a PC processor heat sink and it's won the last 4 seasons hehehehehe

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Whiplash Pricing - 3/7/2003 10:01:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now I really feel fortunate for finding a very slightly damaged Whiplash right here on RCU for $100 shipped.

A couple small very easily repairable holes in the bottom, and minor hangar rash that I can touch up before I paint.

I'm still amazed at how heavy this thing is, it is completely overbuilt. I would suggest they take a look at how the racing guys are making composite structures which are strong, light, and just as fast.

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/7/2003 10:36:45 PM   
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this explains the weight, look at all that blue foam
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/tm.asp?m=251742]

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/7/2003 11:24:12 PM   
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Re: covering - 3/7/2003 11:47:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by jlong34016

How did we get off the topic? Oh yes, ChuckAuger said i didn't know how to cover a plane[/QUOTE]

Actually the thread had drifted off topic with several people, including you, mentioning the Diamond Dust before I said you didn't know how to cover a plane.

[QUOTE]These are not "just airplanes". [/QUOTE]

No, I guess you pointed out that the Diamond Dust is just a (wrinkled) kite with an engine which you were afraid of.

[QUOTE]Just my 40,000 cents. [/QUOTE]

Yours not mine.


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Re: perhaps.. - 3/8/2003 1:14:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by phuffstatler
Perhaps the new pricing policy by ACM is targeting the jet guys who want a 'cheap' beater when they leave their turbines on the ground... Sounds like they are pushing that way with all the mention of carbon and other higher tech materials.

I personally though $199 was way too high for a simple delta, a DDust was much more reasonable. And now twice that? Unfinished? I think they'll get the message loud and clear when the sales fall through the floor with a loud crash.... :


phil in austin


[/QUOTE]

Not perhaps... definitely!!!

They had a succesful design on the first one. Now they decided to use the name the plane has made for itself and bring out a new version at a ridiculous price... betting on the fact that there are people out there that will actually buy anything if it's expensive enough! It is like caviar... people here are paying big bucks for a spoonfull of the stuff, just because it is expensive, and at the same time poor suckers in the ex-soviet union republics are eating the stuff by the jar because they have nothing else...

Close to 600 bucks for a painted delta... COME ON!! (pushrods and tank included... really really lol)

Now all you have to do is install a 300$ engine (I'm referring to mister Jett's products) and a couple of 100$ servos and you've got yourself a 1100$ "beater"...

If I wanted speed that bad I'd spend my hard earned cash in a more useful way...

Take a good look at it... you cannot justify 400$ for this:

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wealth of knowledge - 3/8/2003 1:19:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for your insightful comments Chuck . They are of great value as usual.

The dust came into discussion as a comparison/alternative to the whiplash. The value of anything is relative to the other options available. In my opinion 400 dollars for a state of the art airplane is not unreasonable compared to 150 for an arf DD which is basically a kite. True the old dust was a steal at 200 dollars. Thats why i stole two. But if the new whiplash is as light as a dust it is well worth it to me and i bet many others too.

What is going to be interesting is the price of the Backlash.

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/8/2003 1:33:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, this is America, after all. There will always be folks willing to plunk down enough cash for what they want.


Me, I want financial solvency first...

There are several alternatives to the Whiplash, I'm thinking. Not just the 'kite' of the Ddust, but also several other speed kits that vary in price and quality. You get what you pay for, in most cases.

Heck, for the price of a built-to-the-hilt Whiplash, with the go-fast engines, servos, etc. ($1100) or so someone said, you are easily into the really nice used ducted fan planes, (used Viper anyone?) or even the new but smaller fans that can go all sorts of fast, and fly well to boot. Heck, even the smallest turbines are getting down into this area now, aren't they?

I thought the whole idea behind the Whiplash and others of its ilk was 'cheap speed'. I just don't see that as being true anymore... At least not at $400 for the bare airframe. $400 will get a Patriot into the air, complete with radio, and a decent engine (though not a super speed engine), or very close to it. It's whatever the customer wants, I guess.


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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/8/2003 1:41:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		im from canada ontario wherecan i buy the diamond duster are there any dealers here or are they in toledo this year plz help me

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Very well put Phil. - 3/8/2003 1:50:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I got the whiplash/diamond dust as my trainer for turbine jets. You need 50 flights of 150 mph to get turbine wavier. My turbine jet is a kangaroo which is a delta platform as well.

WRT ducted fans. Alot of people dont have access to a paved field. My grass field makes it almost impossible to get a fan airborne. Plus i am told the ducted fans engines are high maintance. That is why i am selling my only ducted fan plane that i never had the guts to try to get up on the grass runway. I would take a brand new dust over a used DF plane of equal value.

I keep the whiplash in the trunk and dont have to worry about the covering coming loose or getting damaged. It is maintance free and durable.

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diamond dust - 3/8/2003 1:52:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can buy at [url]www.diamonddustrc.com[/url] or at Morris Hobbies.

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Dust ARF ? - 3/8/2003 3:25:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a question if anyone knows. On the new Dust ARF coming