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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/10/2003 8:34:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		i've seen this crash before, and i still think theres enough there to fly again with new wood bits.
The Whip crash above looks like a low pass gone wrong, when this happens at full chat it flips over normally striking one wing tip then the fins, the full shape is presented to the wind so it slows very quickly causing less damage. i agree a Whiplash will survive this better than a Dust, of course it will. however, touching and catching a wingtip and spinning in or coming in at more than a shallow angle will kill both planes. this is where a Dust has the advantage in its rebuild-ability.
Tho with the price difference i know i'd rather fly a Dust low and do a shallow touch and cheap rebuild, than risk it with the Whip even tho it "might" survive. i have a correx delta for doing that stuff on purpose.

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/10/2003 9:22:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Let's be logical for a minute...

I don't own a Whiplash, but I have seen them and they are the best made Extreme Prop planes I have seen. You can't deny the fact that the workmanship is excellent. Sure they are heavier, but this plane is constructed of high tech materials all the way around not just 2 or 3 parts.

I am a business person and we live in a free society where we can produce and sell whatever we like at any price we want to sell it at. This is America and anyone should be allowed to make a profit no matter what it is. If the Whiplash is selling at a loss, there won't be a Whiplash to buy at any price if the company is out of business for selling them at a loss.


"MMALLORY" is right. The Whiplash is the BVM of Extreme Prop Planes, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that. I would like to own a Turbine Jet, but I don't. Why? Not because they cost too much... It's just that I can't afford it.

So it's not that the Whiplash costs too much at $400. It's just that you simply can't afford it.

Someone has to sell and build the best Extreme Prop Plane with the most advance materials, and The Whips I've seen fall into that category.

Blue Skyy

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/10/2003 10:07:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Blue Skyy,

I hear you. I have not seen a Whiplash, so I can't comment on its quality. I am also in business, though, and can offer a couple comments. 1) However good the quality of the products, customers need to understand what new stuff they are getting when the price doubles. 2) Customers don't like to be scolded by the company they are buying from, even when they start the fight.

It's harsh, but it's the way selling works. I was pretty impressed for the first bunch of posts that the ACM guys were able to hold their tongues. I assumed that they were showing some class, and would quietly show everyone that, while not for everyone, the new Whiplash would be worth its price. The silence was broken by an unfortunate, whiney outburst which failed to explain the benefits of the new product even as well as some private posters here have.

Sometimes it's best to put up AND shut up.

banktoturn

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/10/2003 10:42:00 PM   
RampRat


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blue Skyy
I am a business person and we live in a free society where we can produce and sell whatever we like at any price we want to sell it at. [/QUOTE]

Actually, that's BS....

You can not sell an item at an higher price than the public is willing to pay for it, otherwise you are no salesman, because you're not selling anything. All you do is having a lot of overpriced items on your shelves.

I have no experience with other extreme-props than the Weston Magnum, but if they were to come with a full-composite version of the Magnum at twice the price, and then stop making the old version, then i would not buy the new one, as it would be too expensive compared to the plane you're getting. The old version works fine, so why replace it with a more expensive model that doesn't do anything special?

Somebody put it very well at the beginning of this thread:
This isn't them shooting themselves in the foot, this is more like shooting themselves in the head!

They've stopped manufacturing a popular product, and replaced it with a product that nobody is willing to pay for.

Yes indeed it's a free society.. You're free to run yourself out of the business while providing a product nobody want...

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/10/2003 10:57:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually there was a old popular Magnum, but the foam wing and the fact the new one was ARTF at little price increase meant it wasn't needed anymore, it was a huge jump rather than a small change, however.. i for one wouldn't mind the current magnum offered as a kit version with no covering. it would mean he Chinese wouldn't have to build a few fuz's, just supply the wood bits, or have to cover the plane. while this might half ( at most ) the build time i wouldn't expect it to be much less, maybe £20 tops, but i would of had one even if i wasn't hacking mine up because i like to be slightly different.
A ARTC Cougar would also be nice, even if it was only 10 quid cheaper. again, next time i would go for that just to be different.

A full composite version of the Magnum, umm interesting *cough* look in old Nuremberg fair RCM&E reports

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/11/2003 5:11:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mike Conner:
The new whiplash weights 26oz, quiet a bit lighter than the original version. It is constructed mostly of kevlar, stronger & lighter than the original should be faster.

Gil

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/11/2003 6:07:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		hey RCISMYLIFE

Did you buy an extreme?
If you did,Are you the guy that i talked to about putting a .91 on it?


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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/11/2003 6:11:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		No I didn't get the extreme yet but I will in the near future, I have the original. Do you work in ricks shop? If you do I brought mine to show rick, had the grim reaper painted on the bottom, & my nephew had painted one for rick with the canam paint job.

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.91 - 3/11/2003 6:26:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		what prop would you run a .91 on a whiplash? The problem with these bigger engines is you cant turn them at 20,000 rpm..right?
and balancing would be a nightmare.Its going to be tough to beat the jett 45/50 type of performance out of the box. I know Chuck Auger modified the timing and compression of his engine to exceed these engines but few of us can even think about doing that.

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/11/2003 6:47:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read somewhere before about doing the timing on an engine. Sounded like a pain to do. I also seen where you can port your engines for different power using a dremel and a cutting & polishing bit.

I tried this on one of my .15 car engines and it made a huge difference on the way it ran. It was just a stock engine that came with car that I had laying around so figured what the heck. If I mess it up i just need a new sleeve and piston. But in the end it did work but I had problems keeping the temp down on it.

I just don't think I could see myself doing it one of my plane engines. Kinda paranoid about messing it up.

Has anyone else tried porting theres?

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/11/2003 6:48:11 AM   
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Yeah i work at the shop. im the guy with the gotee.


jlong34016

the .91 is not a good motor for the plane.
I would not try it. Plus you are right, It would not balance well. Too heavy.
hey and when are you going to fly your? lol

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/11/2003 6:54:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had one of my bosses port my HPI 12ss. when he flew speed DF runs he ported his engines. Call at the shop and talk to Dan or PM him NOFLYZONE. Im sure he can give you some pointers.

And 26 oz is the Weight of the extreme. but weights do change depending on how hard i squeeze th glue bag

L8rZ
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Actually... - 3/11/2003 6:56:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I only resorted to a Rossi .65 to get it to balance. It wouldn't balance with the OS 46VRDF at all. The OS 46 VXDF is quite a bit heavier the the VRDF, but it was actually a lot easier to mount the Rossi .65 than the 46 VXDF.

And they will turn 20K+ no sweat. Practical RPM on the Rossi .65 is 25K. And BTW..this is not the Rossi .65 you see if you go to the Morris site, for example. I'm getting 21K with the APC 9X8 on the engine mounted on it right now. I just want to use this engine to get the trim and launch down. I have different combos I would think would be faster.

Yes some of them have been modified just a bit, but I have several of them and it is easier to just swap out engines with different timings and set the pipe to the length for that Engine/Prop/RPM range than try to fiddle with re-tuning the whole mess after a prop change.

The only thing I modify port wise is the exhaust duration..if a Rossi isn't a fan or boat it will have 148 degrees and that is a little slow for 20K..sleeve shims work a lot better, you can raise the whole cylinder and that makes a difference.
YMMV


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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/11/2003 7:48:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I ported mine I did all of them on the sleeve.

There was also some modifications on the connecting rod making it more stream lined for better fuel flow. I did not mess with the rod since it is fairly small already. Then there was some mods for the crankshaft for better fuel flow. I left that alone also since I was afraid to get the crank out of balance.

I'll do a search for that site if any of y'all interested or just like to know.

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