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comments - 3/27/2003 2:56:22 AM   
BAGOSTIX



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This is a free society last time I looked, we are in the midst of a war to preserve our rights to freedom, everyone has the right to say whatever they want to say about anything.

But to slander the name of a product by calling it a POS or to make comments on a product based on hearsay without ever owning or having one in your possession and to make comments based on ones inability to fly an airplane of this nature is not what I would call constructive or within the realm of what this forum and site was setup to do.

Despite what some of you might say or think, I have personally invested a substantial amount of money into the development, design, and production of this airplane and WE are very proud to call it an ACM product, funny, we never had any of the problems that some of you have raised, why's that? we get the exact same product you do.

If any of you know me, you know that I have ALWAYS been perfectly honest about everything and every dealing I have had on or off RCU, and the last thing that I or any manufacturer wants is bad press.

If I wanted to screw people out of $200.00 I would have invested in a fly by night business and taken the money and ran.

Folks, this is not the situation here, Dan, the staff of ACM and I have worked on this project for almost 2 years now and I would doubt that many of you have any idea what kind of time, money and effort is involved in producing an airplane of this caliber.
Why with the intention of getting a return on my investment would I allow a piece of junk to be sold? how long at $199.00 do you think it would take to recover a six figure investment? I'd have to sell a whole lot of these in a short amount of time to beat the disatisfaction curve.. word would spread a lot faster than the money would come in.. lets be realistic folks.

If you want to bash the whiplash, then do it in a respectful way, do it in a way that is constructive and not malicious.

We welcome any comments that anyone may have about this plane, but it seems that these posts always lead to a venting party and people have to take out their frustrations on whatever is popular at the time.
Some of these remarks are so dramatic that it makes me wonder what one of these guys would say about getting a lemon vehicle.

Remarks such as POS, a brick, a boat anchor and the like are totally uncalled for, this aircraft is not any of those items, it has never been misrepresented in any way, it is excatly as advertised and there are countless posts that are customer service and information related, we have always supported this aircraft to the best of our abilities.

We want a happy customer and have bent over backwards for $199.00 to see that everyone is happy, but in reality there will always be some people that despite what you do, say or attempt, they will never be happy.

It is unfortunate..

Again, for the 20th time, if you are unhappy with your brick, boat anchor, led sled, POS, whatever you want to call it, then pack it up, send it back and by all means allow us to refund your money for your purchase, we certainly dont want any of you to go thru life being this miserable over a $200.00 purchase..

If you do not have your packaging, then find a box, pack it adequately to prevent damage, and ship it to us collect, or give us the total of your expenditures within reason and we will reimburse every PENNY you spend.. You will not be out of a single RED CENT..

If you have a problem, beef, question, comment or just want to vent, then please know that we are here to take care of any and all issues relevant to our products, we dont dodge calls, we answer all e mails as quickly as possible, our phone lines are active, and we will respond to your needs immediately.

With that being said, There is nothing more that we can do to accomodate you.. so if you dont return the item(s), any further derogitory statements made on this or any other forum that are deemed malicious and without substance will be considered a slanderous attack on this company and its products and will be dealt with accordingly.

That is not a threat, that is only self defence..

We are in this hobby with you guys, we fly on the weekends and talk R/C all the time, it's our life and passion, we have more airplanes than sense and our wives wished we spent more time at home with the kids.
We dont treat our R/C pals with malice, and we dont draw blood with our opinions of people or products.. isnt this the way it should be??

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/27/2003 3:08:37 AM   
banktoturn



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BAGOSTIX,

You are right, I need to add to my previous comments. While a lot of products get criticized here, I don't think it's appropriate for people to use these kinds of derogatory terms, with no legitimate complaints, in reference to a product. That doesn't help any fellow modelers to make good buying decisions, and is much different from the valid questions and criticisms that we should see here.

banktoturn

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lets hear it. - 3/27/2003 3:25:32 AM   
jlong34016


 

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hammbone2 whats the problem?
nun45 how big was the hole that you built the entire plane before noticing it? Did you fix it or just fly it? Was it really a problem?

Whats unfair is to complain on here without giving out the info as to what was wrong. Also how about comment on customer service? Did they offer to make you whole? Any other manufacturers offering refunds for dissatisfied customers?

Everyone knows the weight. Its a pound heavier than my DD. They all come in between 4lb2oz and 4lb 8oz. Thats for the old model and is old news.

I have bought many planes. Reciently a f14 and patriot here on rcu, both "RTF". Neither worth the money i paid for them. I have four whiplashes. Worth every cent to me. Great plane, well built, flies like a dream.

My take on all this is you have an affordable high performance plane that allows the average joe to take the step into an arena that they really have little experience in. They are expecting perfection and when something minor distracts them (that really doesnt matter) they start the bashing.

Nun45 i dont really know the point of your post was. Endorsement? Criticism? Mia culpa?

Please stick to the facts.

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/27/2003 3:52:15 AM   
SALMONBUG



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I am going to send a mail to order a whiplash I hope I won't be disapointed.
In my country we have a manufacturer called znline wich provide very hig quality ARF at very hig price and nobody discuss when there is a price change as soon the quality increase.
I hope I will receive what I expect for the price I will pay. And if it's not the case I will contact the manufacturer before posting any coment on RCU

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Re: comments - 3/27/2003 4:28:35 AM   
ajcoholic



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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BAGOSTIX
This is a free society last time I looked, we are in the midst of a war to preserve our rights to freedom, everyone has the right to say whatever they want to say about anything.

But to slander the name of a product by calling it a POS or to make comments on a product based on hearsay without ever owning or having one in your possession and to make comments based on ones inability to fly an airplane of this nature is not what I would call constructive or within the realm of what this forum and site was setup to do.

Despite what some of you might say or think, I have personally invested a substantial amount of money into the development, design, and production of this airplane and WE are very proud to call it an ACM product, funny, we never had any of the problems that some of you have raised, why's that? we get the exact same product you do.

If any of you know me, you know that I have ALWAYS been perfectly honest about everything and every dealing I have had on or off RCU, and the last thing that I or any manufacturer wants is bad press.

If I wanted to screw people out of $200.00 I would have invested in a fly by night business and taken the money and ran.

Folks, this is not the situation here, Dan, the staff of ACM and I have worked on this project for almost 2 years now and I would doubt that many of you have any idea what kind of time, money and effort is involved in producing an airplane of this caliber.
Why with the intention of getting a return on my investment would I allow a piece of junk to be sold? how long at $199.00 do you think it would take to recover a six figure investment? I'd have to sell a whole lot of these in a short amount of time to beat the disatisfaction curve.. word would spread a lot faster than the money would come in.. lets be realistic folks.

If you want to bash the whiplash, then do it in a respectful way, do it in a way that is constructive and not malicious.

We welcome any comments that anyone may have about this plane, but it seems that these posts always lead to a venting party and people have to take out their frustrations on whatever is popular at the time.
Some of these remarks are so dramatic that it makes me wonder what one of these guys would say about getting a lemon vehicle.

Remarks such as POS, a brick, a boat anchor and the like are totally uncalled for, this aircraft is not any of those items, it has never been misrepresented in any way, it is excatly as advertised and there are countless posts that are customer service and information related, we have always supported this aircraft to the best of our abilities.

We want a happy customer and have bent over backwards for $199.00 to see that everyone is happy, but in reality there will always be some people that despite what you do, say or attempt, they will never be happy.

It is unfortunate..

Again, for the 20th time, if you are unhappy with your brick, boat anchor, led sled, POS, whatever you want to call it, then pack it up, send it back and by all means allow us to refund your money for your purchase, we certainly dont want any of you to go thru life being this miserable over a $200.00 purchase..

If you do not have your packaging, then find a box, pack it adequately to prevent damage, and ship it to us collect, or give us the total of your expenditures within reason and we will reimburse every PENNY you spend.. You will not be out of a single RED CENT..

If you have a problem, beef, question, comment or just want to vent, then please know that we are here to take care of any and all issues relevant to our products, we dont dodge calls, we answer all e mails as quickly as possible, our phone lines are active, and we will respond to your needs immediately.

With that being said, There is nothing more that we can do to accomodate you.. so if you dont return the item(s), any further derogitory statements made on this or any other forum that are deemed malicious and without substance will be considered a slanderous attack on this company and its products and will be dealt with accordingly.

That is not a threat, that is only self defence..

We are in this hobby with you guys, we fly on the weekends and talk R/C all the time, it's our life and passion, we have more airplanes than sense and our wives wished we spent more time at home with the kids.
We dont treat our R/C pals with malice, and we dont draw blood with our opinions of people or products.. isnt this the way it should be??
[/QUOTE]


DAMN that was well written...

Never owned a whip, but been following the feedback since you guys introduced them last year. As an owner of a small manufacturing business myself, it is frustrating to see people basically demand you to justify the cost of your product. If you have a good product and provide good service (IMO from what I have read you do) dont worry about it. The guys who want to buy the Whiplash will and the ones who want to complain about the price will. Even if they have no intention to buy one! If it is out of the price range of some of us, thats OUR problem. Heck, I would love to buy 2 or 3 BVM jets but I scratch build mine to save $$. Not a good reason to start slagging BVM models and say they are "overpriced " etc. Thats MY problem.

So, I would say to you Mr BAGOSTIX continue to make what you think is a great airframe, and enjoy selling it to those who want to buy it. You cant please everyone so why even bother to try...

And those who have a whip and are not happy - with the return offer you have been offered by the manufacturer, how in the world can you complain, when you can return it for a full refund? How many other companies will take back a built plane? NONE...


ajcoholic


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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/27/2003 4:32:50 AM   
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I am now on Whiplash #2. The first one was "grounded" by a friend. He managed to get me a new one through RCU. While Rick was searching his inventory for me.

If I did not think the Whiplash was a great plane for the money I would not have gotten #2.

Rick @ AeroJet was extremely fast to answer my questions.

If anyone wants to make a small fortune in the R/C business...
START WITH A LARGE FORTUNE.

Thanks to Jett Engineer for Getting a JETT FIRE .50 built and shipped to m in 4 days! Back flying on Sunday

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/27/2003 5:07:01 AM   
AtomicFrawg



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Crazy4Flight

That thing Looks Really Slow Man

NOT!!!!



I hope you dont get Shot down again.

And let us know how she flies.


Later
Chris


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others - 3/27/2003 5:41:20 AM   
BAGOSTIX



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Thanks to all of you for your support and kind words, it makes me feel really good to know how many satisfied customers we have out there, and hey, I have to say that the other guys on TEAM ACM dont get any of the praise or critisism that I get, only because they dont live on their PCs like I do and usually arent on the front lines.

But Dan, Rae, Chris, Roger and now Jared deserve lots of praise folks, they are the heart of this company, so hats off to them, they're a great bunch of guys..

I'm proud that they are part of TEAM ACM

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Whiplash box... - 3/27/2003 5:42:22 AM   
ChuckAuger



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If anybody is seriously so disgusted with their Whiplash that they feel they need to send it back, I'll ship you the box mine came in.

If Rick is man enough to make that offer here on an open forum, and lack of a box is all that is holding you back, send me a PM and I'll ship you a Whiplash box and I'll pay the shipping on the box from me to you.

I admit just coming off a DDust I was kinda taken aback by the weight of the Whiplash, but I went ahead and finished it. It turned out pretty nice, but it's been setting for a couple of months..ready to fly..because I don't have anybody to chunk it for me. I don't plan on dieing soon, so as soon as my pit man recovers from back problems I'll fly it.

But whatever the outcome, I sure as heck ain't gonna send it back!! So I have a spare box.


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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/27/2003 6:39:55 AM   
nun45



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my post must have been vague. i am not un satisfied enough to not want it, i don't get rid of anything! i made a couple observations and a rambling. the sink hole was not there when painted, and it appears to be getting bigger, and i don't fly it much. my post, i think, said i thought rick & co. were fair. i said i wasn't happy with the charicteristics, but that doesn't mean i will send it back. reckon i should have emailed rick about the sinkhole for advice, my apoligies. jlong we know your alegence to the lash and will defend it no matter what, so to you my post shouldn't mean anything as it wasn't directed at you or anyone. it was an observational post as i DO own one and should be entitled to my opinion. again rick, it was not a bashing, sorry.---henry

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allegiance - 3/27/2003 7:17:07 AM   
jlong34016


 

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I have no allegiance to anything. I am simply looking for fairness as well as the truth. I have not received my new whiplash X yet and will post my two cents on it when i get it. If there are issues i think people need to hear about so they can make an informed decision on purchase ,then i will post them ...pro or con.

As far as sink hole. Any idea whats going on there? Any chance of hot exhaust melting it? Its just an idea due to location of problem and fact that its getting bigger. And no, i dont know the melting point of the material. I dont even know what it is.

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sink hole - 3/27/2003 7:32:50 AM   
BAGOSTIX



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Not sure about the sink hole, there is a combination of several materials in the old whiplash and there is rohacell foam in the airframe, but it shouldnt melt.
take a pic if you can, and or describe where the hole is located.
Is it an actual hole or a depression?

The beauty of the whiplash is that it can be easily repaired in most cases, so send me some shots, Dan and I will look at it and get back to you.

thanks

Mr. Long, your Extreme is coming soon.. I believe all of your comments will be good when you get this..

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/27/2003 7:58:51 AM