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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/6/2003 9:27:38 PM   
serge1



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Status: offline 		Well, I was anticipating the new whiplash extreme with high hope but now I must say I am extremely decepointed....The
new whiplash is visually the same as the old one but now priced at $399.99 with no paint on it!! Even worse, you have to pay an additinal $25.00 to get a basic color on it. Talk about ``slightly more expensive``like they told me. Don't get me wrong! I am not saying that to hurt ACM, The ACM product are top quality [COLOR=red]but in any way its fair to double the price of the new whiplash!!! [/COLOR]

$399.00 for a non painted composite wing is not right in my book...Oh, perhaps I am wrong, I am not god after all.

Just my 2 cents.

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/6/2003 10:54:02 PM   
Cactus.



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Status: offline 		You got it wrong!!!!!!!
its 399.95 SEE! a whole 4 cents
This bits scary.......
Airbrushed schemes are available too for additional $180.00
isnt that more than a Magnum ARFT???? hell, you've got a whole plane for the price of a Whip kit
Thats a hell of a price for a plane that cant be fixed if you ding the wing too bad

i think they shot them selves in the foot this time... a crashed one or two and we have the wing templates... then cut a foam wing.. use the laying cloth on a pain of glass skining techequine ( or just use some 1/64 ply if you must ) and bingo. you can even make it more aerodynamic and hide the tank compleatly with a fairing behind the engine to cut drag off that too...

I think all the price like this will do is increase sales of the new Dust. It dosnt need super servos just to move the stiff elevons either.


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price - 3/7/2003 12:20:50 AM   
jlong34016


 

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Status: offline 		Considering we all paint them ourselves anyway i don't think its too outrageous to pay 400 for a complete airframe. It does come with the pushrods and horns and maybe the pushrod ends i would think. The fin is carbon fiber as well. I hope the hinging is also fixed up by now too. I already have two but im sure i can sell one or both for the latest and greatest thing in this class. I wish i had waited on spiderman airbrushing for the new model. The weather didnt cooperate and i still havent flown it yet.

I would wait for the reviews to come in before i started throwing stones. Remember you get what you pay for. Just because its small doesnt mean its not as valuable as any other plane out there. Other composite planes are about the same price. We should be happy with the bargain we got on the first two batches.

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/7/2003 1:10:30 AM   
Hammbone2



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Status: offline 		That Figures,Im not inpressed with the Whiplash any how let along a price increasse. its heavy,slow and Way over priced, I will never buy another one, there launcher is a cheap POS too..These people are to lazy,I mean Cheap,they ship through the US Mail and it late 99% of the time,I forget the many times i had to call theses people to check on my slow order. for the amount of money they could have used UPS it would have gotten here quicker.No I'm not inpressed with any of part of there company,let alone the way the plane is made. When I got my kit it looked as if someone had hacked the ailerons has been cut sloppily shure isnt straight. Poor excuse of a plane and and service if you ask me and now there asking for more money. LOL good Joke April is next month.

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ya - 3/7/2003 1:32:06 AM   
serge1



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Status: offline 		I would have pay a light price increase for the extreme version but now the cost is ridiculous!! 200 more bucks is simply not justified.

The old Whiplash at $199.95 was reasonably priced but now you have to pay the double just for a lite update without any paint on it. I wont pay that price for a simple composite wing!! Come on!! there is no special or secret material in that thing!! thats just a composite wing!!

This is not the right way to thank all of the people who made the original whiplash a huge success...

Serge

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/7/2003 2:55:35 AM   
Cactus.



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Status: offline 		When it first came out i thought it was a CF one piece hollow wing, using lost foam or something, you know, real light and hi-tec..That WOULD be worth the cost, but after seeing a crash pic it was just foam with a composite skin.
My biggest problem with it was the unrepairability. Its nearest rival the Dust has so few components that you can replace the Ply, and maybe one or two rods that break and you've got a new one, the Whippy was going to be a new kit please sir. and yes i do accept the Whip will survive a larger impact than a Dust before you have to do something. I also never believed that thing about stiff elevons stop flutter, no.. they just kill servos..
Anyway, I'm not bashing the original Whip which has taken the market by storm and all credit to it..
But if you want to save money hows this for a ARTF
001 DIAMOND DUST - 34.5"
kit $64.95
ARC $99.95
ARTF $149.95

002
CLIPPED WING DUST - 30"
Kit $64.95
ARC $99.95
ARTF $149.95

All that extra $ to put into a better engine

hell if you all want to pay me £250 ( gezz, that IS! a Magnum + West 50, oooo Dust and West 50 yummy ) a kit i'll learn how to mould solid CF forms and kit my delta design

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/7/2003 2:59:39 AM   
ckoerner



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Status: offline 		I bought one of the originals for $169.00. The other day I checked their webpage, because I was going to order another one for back up until I saw the price of the new one. They say the new one is a pound lighter and all Kevlar and Rohacell. Why don't they still offer the original one? Hopefully they will see this thread and consider selling the original one again. I just bought an Interceptor ducted fan jet. It is all fiberglass fuse w/formers installed, foam sheeted flying surfaces and hardware for $495.00 and it is only a little slower. Top speed should be about 180mph.
Later,
Craig

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/7/2003 3:08:03 AM   
Slocum



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Status: offline 		I was wanting one but I thought that $199 was on the high end. Diamond dust to same point about $75.

That is not them shooting them self in the foot. That was shooting them self IN THE HEAD!

Case Closed!


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resale - 3/7/2003 4:06:55 AM   
jlong34016


 

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Status: offline 		Looks like there might be a good resale market for the original whiplash. I have two, what am i bid?

I have the dust also. Its more of a kite with an engine than a plane. Its a little scary to me. It feels like it will fall apart just running the engine.

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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/7/2003 4:21:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Take the Dust apart.. give it a Whip section and re-sheet with thin ply before you cover, bingo, a Dusty-whip at a fraction of the cost and weight.
My Dust may only be covered in SolarFilm and Solartex on the bottom, but i have no fear of it coming to bits. i know if i get a little to low on a pass that all is not lost as well and i'll get a chance to re-build it different

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New Whip.. - 3/7/2003 4:30:57 AM   
ChuckAuger



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Status: offline 		I traded for the 2nd generation (Whiplash X I believe, not Extreme) and haven't flown it. It's totally rigged out, ready to fly.

In the meantime I bought another DDust.

So even though I've not flown the Whip, I don't think I did too bad with my trade.

But I ain't no way paying $400 for one.

And don't be afraid of the Diamond Dust. I had countless flights on mine before I got too low and too stupid at the same time. Sure, I had a couple of patches on it..still a lot of fun for the $$$.

I sure miss it, I think it's just about a must have.


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New whiplash priced doubled..Hey ACM come on!! - 3/7/2003 6:16:28 AM   
Flipper



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Status: offline 		I was waiting for the new improved Whip to come out and I thought it was going to be the same price with improvements. When I saw the price I ordered the Dust and all 4 of the Realflight add-ons instead. IMHO, way to much.

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400 dollar lash - 3/7/2003 6:24:44 AM   
jlong34016


 

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Status: offline 		Anyone who got the spiderman whiplash paid the 400 dollars. I am one of them. I dont think that is unreasonable. But i wont pay 600 for a new spiderman plane. Perhaps this is what they were thinking with the pricing. Tap into that extra people were willing to pay. I bet they worked like dogs producing all those planes for little return. Now they need something to show for their efforts. So sell alot less planes and have alot less work and make more money. Basic economics.Still a great value.

To compare this to the Interceptor like previous post is only half the story. Sure the DF plane only cost 500 dollars to buy but are you going to hand launch and belly land that thing? What do the retracts, wheels, brakes,pneumatic hardware servos and valves run you? Probably more than two new whiplashes. Compare that to $0.00 for the lash.


As far as the DD goes..I need to heat gun prior to every day of flight. Major pain. What is my time worth?

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Give me a break.. - 3/7/2003 7:17:01 AM   
ChuckAuger



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Status: offline 		If you have to heat gun a DDust before everytime you take it out, you are doing something wrong. Might spend some of that time practicing your covering skills. Mine was over a year old and I never had to re-heat it. Like I said I patched to bottom a couple of times, that's it!

Oh and get this...it was covered in Monokote.

The time I spent on touching up my covering vs the price of a new $400 whip?? Man, I need to go into business, I was making about $650 dollars/hr!!


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