RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/13/2007 7:34:55 PM

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I think your posts say it all Greg, and in a polite manner as well.

Looking back over the posts there has been a lot of suggestions and theorising by a particular person.There has been very little, apart from two diagrams, which contains any substance.

There has been a good deal of personal abuse against someone who has proved helpful and a good source of information on numerous occasions.

Untill the individual concerned makes some contribution which is actually usefull then I think I will just avoid his posts.

A bio-chemist (Robert Dulake) wrote the original magazine article, which can be found way back on "page" 4 of this thread. Another bio-chemist has confirmed with a member of this group that this was indeed the method to use....... then we have Ugo..... who ???? Who has experience greater than 2 bio-chemists ??? Who's practical experience outweighs ???

Of interset to our learned friend might be.....
www.millersoils.net
select "purchase on line", this reveals all the products. Look at xfe engine oil.... I have been using it in my diesel cars for years. It will allow double the mileage before doing an oil change. Jens knows about good quality diesel lubrication, I and many others know about the subject but yet there is sarcastic remarks ! There you will also find the ignition improver I use.

That's my position and I have no further comments and will be very selective about which posts I read in future .

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/13/2007 8:21:53 PM

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Ugo

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/13/2007 8:44:12 PM

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Ugo...

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Diesel motor oils have strong additives contrasting acidity, castor and ordinary motor oil have not. So this can lead to some corrosion. >> Again your assertion. I has repaired a lot of vehicle diesel engines, never experienced rust inside the engine, too not in heavy truck engine who my father are working as truck driver and keep maintenance self at truck....."

Here is another proof that you lie when affirm to be a diesel mechanic. You don't know ever that diesel engines use diesel motor oil, so they don't wear from acidity.
DIESEL OILS HAVE THE HIGHEST CONTAINT OF ACID CONTRASTING ADDITIVES . this contrasts the high acidity of diesel combustion residuals entering into the oil. This is one of the main differences between a diesel and a spark engine motor oil. Of course there are other peculiar additives everyone dealing with diesel knows.

Motoroil are not only motoroil. I am writing short and simple since i am not writing in more detailed addidives etc in motoroil.. here:

In light road vehicle are same motoroil used in both petrol- and diesel engine since there are not enough sulfur in autodiesel. See in car manual or workbok for car mechanics for oil products where API and ACEA code are wrote for the engine. See at the oil flask with API and ACEA code for both petrol- and diesel engines. The Peugeot cars with petrol- or diesel engine are using same oil where the ACEA code are marked in car manual. Some light road vehicle who has tuned engine need better oil quality, higher viscosity.

The oil for bus/truck has additives against load and the light vehicle motoroil can not be used in the engine who are designed for bus/truck use cause engine will be wrecked. And reverse the oil for bus/truck can use in light vehicle with diesel engine without problem. Viscosity are same in both oils for light road vehicle and bus/truck, but difference in load properties.

The clima zone are influencing at the oil and need oil with right viscosity adapted for the engine where you live and are driving the vehicle.

In heavy ship engine are the motoroil difference from road vehicle motor oil, the oil calculated for heavy ship has very high alkaline or base addidive to neutralize the acids products from combustion cause the heavy oil are used as fuel who has high sulfur who are damaging the cylinder in heavy ship engine. The oil for cylinder and crankcase are separated each other to prevent acids are coming into crankcase and erroding the bearings. If the heavy ship engine are using the light oil as fuel, there are not neccesary to use oil with alkaline or base additive since there are not enough acids products from combustion.

You are still writing "Maybe" and "why not"..

I has used both autodiesel, kerosene and charcoal lighter fluid and has do not have problem with carbon residues in the model dieselengines.

No, Barbeque igniter does not have lower boiling temperature than kerosene, little to compare between fuels. Here are the technical data from our norwegian oil company Statoil...

Kerosene:
Self ignition temperature: 200 °C
Boiling point: 192 - 245 °C
Viscosity: 2,07 cSt / 25 °C

Barbeque igniter:
Self ignition temperature: 200-250 °C
Boiling point: 240 °C
Viscosity: 7 cSt / 25 °C

Diesel:
Self ignition temperature: 220 °C
Boiling point: 165 - 360 °C
Viscosity: 2.6 mm²/s 40°C
Cetane number: about 50-55

Do not forget, we are loaning the world of our children..
Will it be profitable to use turpentine when we must care the wood against exterminating with cainsaw and axe??
The pine tree will use 70 year to crow until the tree are tall enough before the tree are ready to use.
Turpentine (also called spirit of turpentine, oil of turpentine, wood turpentine, gum turpentine) is a fluid obtained by the distillation of resin obtained from trees, mainly pine trees.

Now it is time to stop in this forum!

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/13/2007 8:50:08 PM

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/13/2007 10:15:12 PM

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For model engines the situation may be different. Look at what Pe controlled and reported here with appreciable precision. Did you ever make such a test?

No, even in my four strokes I did not have corrosion issues.

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/14/2007 3:19:56 AM

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I've gone through some of the last posts and took out the comments that are part of the arguing going on. So, some of the remaining text looks odd. I had nothing left in a couple of messages, so those were deleted entirely. So, it things look strange now it is because it's time to stop bickering and that took up a lot of each message.

Can't we all get along?

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/14/2007 1:57:47 PM

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I've signed out of this thread.

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/14/2007 7:31:52 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: blw

I've gone through some of the last posts and took out the comments that are part of the arguing going on. So, some of the remaining text looks odd. I had nothing left in a couple of messages, so those were deleted entirely. So, it things look strange now it is because it's time to stop bickering and that took up a lot of each message.

Can't we all get along?

Fair comments.

Time to move along. Now where's a less "rocky" boat ?

Reg

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/14/2007 7:34:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: merugo

Sloper,
as I suspected, one of the two biochemist is a friend of a friend, so it is unfortunately unreachable for having an explanation, the second is the author of the same paper in a hobby magazine, paper in wich he does not explain at all what happens.
And you forget that author uses absolutely no olive oil, but the cheapest seed oil, correct me if I mistake.
What the author probably found, if he found somewhat, is so misterious to him that he does not dare a single word in chemical terms of what he does, and for what a reason. He finds a matter really new in chemistry, the "better", maybe another element to add the Mendeleiev table.

Ugo

If those are your opinions then..... I guess I will just have to live with it

Reg

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/20/2007 5:29:05 PM

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does somebody have a solution for replace the Ether for another type of fuel? Here in my country is very dificult to obtain Ether, than, i would like to know if have any other type of fuel/solvent that have similar caracteristics..

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/20/2007 6:48:06 PM

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Ether per se may be hard to come by down there however the automotive starting fluid should be available in the auto parts store or truck stops. the best is John Deere from the farm supply stores it is about 80% ether, that one may not be available , other brands may be only about 60% ether and containe heptane and some hydrocarbon based additives but still is a source of ether to make your fuel martin

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/21/2007 3:36:26 AM

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Ether per se may be hard to come by down there however the automotive starting fluid should be available in the auto parts store or truck stops. the best is John Deere from the farm supply stores it is about 80% ether, that one may not be available , other brands may be only about 60% ether and containe heptane and some hydrocarbon based additives but still is a source of ether to make your fuel martin

Hi friend.. thank you very much for the tips.. But here is not easy find this type of product.. the JohnDeere company here in Brazil only sells tractors and farm trucks, not any type of oil, fluids avaliable..

Is this normal find in farm suppliers or diesel parts suppliers? Does have more makers that you can should for me?

Cheers,

Matheus

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/21/2007 10:22:54 AM

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Matheus ,
Ask your local John Deer agent to get a carton of there starting fluid in , but make sure its the 1 containing 80% ether as JD has several types.
Stewart

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/21/2007 1:26:20 PM

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Matheus ,
Ask your local John Deer agent to get a carton of there starting fluid in , but make sure its the 1 containing 80% ether as JD has several types.
Stewart

Hi Stewart,

I already sent a e-mail to a JohnDeere produts seller, let´see what they will answer.. I think, overhere is not commom find this type or product, because is a tropical country, and the winter here is not so cold like north countrys.

I never saw before a starting fluid to sell in any place overhere.

And about Octane Boosters and diesel treatments fluids? I found some of them, is easy to find to sell, and tells in the descriptions: "help the cold start.. ".. Then, i presume that contains similar quimical of starting fluids..

Cheers,

Matheus

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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/24/2007 1:19:34 PM

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DIESEL FUEL No: 10.................... NAME: .......... nn.......,..........ORIGINAL DATE: ..8/11/2007

ORIGINAL REPORTER: ....SGC............LAST EDITOR:.merugo........LAST EDIT:.8/25/2007........

FORMULA (in order of decreasing percentage of volume ):
1)-58...%.....Kerosene
2)-20...%.....Ether
3)-12....%....Olive oil ****
4)-10....%....Castor

The way the mix it was obtained: .....

1)ENGINE:.............CARBURETOR: .... .. RUN TIME: .......STARTING: ............ USER:......
Comments:

2)ENGINE:.............CARBURETOR:.........RUN TIME: .......STARTING:.......... USER:.......
Comments:..

Reader's comments
Nickname : .................Comments:..

Other:..merugo

This mix appears a good balance between components. It assures good hand starting. Good also for newbies. I would reccomend it more for high speed ball bearing engines than plain low speed ones. ****the author usually for "olive" intends a "modified" oil, I guess.
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RE: DIESEL FUELS, OILS, COMBUSTIBLES AND ADDITIVES - 8/29/2007 6:58:37 PM

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